The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[tsig]

So then you have evidence that the people of that generation did not have the same haughty spirit that was anti- the God of Israel?



You're seeing something that isn't there. Nowhere does he say they didn't destroy Tyre.




How do you know the "they" is referring to Nebuchadnezzar and the Chaldeans; you don't. Again you guess and try to make that guess into a fact. In the previous 4 verses Ezekiel always uses the word "He" to describe what the Chaldeans will do. Then all the sudden Ezekiel changes to "they". This "they" could very easily be referring to the "many nations" that Ezekiel says will come against Tyre in Ezekiel 26:3.

You're entitled to your opinion but again I think you're seeing something that isn't there.

(ETA) Once again this is an example of why it is important for people to do their own research because people like Tim Callahan can sound very confident with what they say but on closer examination there can be inaccuracies, or "guesses" that are claimed to be fact.

And to those people who are new to all of this my time is limited and I can't respond to every little point people make that might be inaccurate, so don't put all your faith in me that I will be able to point out all innaccuracies and false claims.

If Nebukanzzer never did what the bible says then your god is false?

 

[Mudcat]

Really

The morning after...

What in the name of Altana are you going on about?

 

[Mudcat]

Let's have a point of comparison here for the slower members in the audience:

In 287 BCE, the self-geverning city state of Syracuse was captured by the Romans after a two year long siege. Archimedes (the greatest mind of the time) was killed by a Roman soldier despite strict orders that he was not to be harmed (General Marcellus considered him to be an important asset).

In the 2^nd Century CE, about four hundred years after the fact the author Lucian wrote an account about Archimedes set the Roman's ships on fire and a few centuries after that Anthemius of Tralles put forth the idea he used 'Burning Glasses' to accomplish the feat.

If we lived in the same kind of badly deluded mindset as DOC we would have to reject what actually happened in favor of highly fanciful accounts by men who never witnessed the events they were describing centuries after all the players were dead and turned to dust.

 

[Leumas]

DOC,


Can you please respond to this post

DOC,

I have a simple question that you can answer simply.

If I foretell that it will rain tomorrow and it does not would you accept my slimy excuses that it ALMOST rained because it was cloudy as an acceptable salvage of my prognosticating abilities.... would you say that my prognosis was correct?​

Please do not obfuscate and wriggle.....just answer the question.

 

[Leumas]

DOC,

Here is another question.

Say that I tell you Saturday that I predicted on Monday that it would rain Tuesday but the only proof I can produce is a written report that obviously was written on Thursday..... and by most indications it did not even rain Tuesday but in fact it drizzled for a few seconds on Wednesday.

Would you then argue that I am a prophet?

 

[welshdean]

DOC,

Here is another question.

Say that I tell you Saturday that I predicted on Monday that it would rain Tuesday but the only proof I can produce is a written report that obviously was written on Thursday..... and by most indications it did not even rain Tuesday but in fact it drizzled for a few seconds on Wednesday.

Would you then argue that I am a prophet?

Who is this vague protagonist of which you speak?

 

[Elizabeth I]

If I may be so bold my Queen and ask, who do you mean by 'your' in the above post? Do you mean Alexander the Great?

I only ask 'cause enquiring minds want to know.

Not me. I keep my pronoun antecedents secret. See? None of you can tell to whom I am speaking or what I am talking about. Dang, those pronouns will sneak in. Tricky beggars.

 

[Leumas]

Who is this vague protagonist of which you speak?

It is DOC.... and you are right about the adjective.

 

[Rincewind]

All this pronoun talk - makes me sad for the ignored antinouns.....

 

[Helen]

I don't think they had those in Hebrew.

 

[Mashuna]

I don't think they had those in Hebrew.

Whobrew?

 

[Mudcat]

Whobrew?

Youbrew.

 

[TimCallahan]

Youbrew.

You remind me of a man.
What man?
A man with the power.
What power?
The power of voodoo.
Hoodoo?
You do.
I do what?
. . . Remind me of a man.

 

[dafydd]

Youbrew.

Hebrew = A kosher teabag.

 

[joobz]

You remind me of a man.
What man?
A man with the power.
What power?
The power of voodoo.
Hoodoo?
You do.
I do what?
. . . Remind me of a man.

i saw my baby...
Crying hard has baby could cry.

 

[Brainache]

Let's have a point of comparison here for the slower members in the audience:

In 287 BCE, the self-geverning city state of Syracuse was captured by the Romans after a two year long siege. Archimedes (the greatest mind of the time) was killed by a Roman soldier despite strict orders that he was not to be harmed (General Marcellus considered him to be an important asset).

In the 2^nd Century CE, about four hundred years after the fact the author Lucian wrote an account about Archimedes set the Roman's ships on fire and a few centuries after that Anthemius of Tralles put forth the idea he used 'Burning Glasses' to accomplish the feat.

If we lived in the same kind of badly deluded mindset as DOC we would have to reject what actually happened in favor of highly fanciful accounts by men who never witnessed the events they were describing centuries after all the players were dead and turned to dust.

While we're waiting for DOC to come back and admit the obvious failure of all the Bible prophecies, here is a little piece about Archimede's Death Ray:
http://web.mit.edu/2.009/www/experiments/deathray/10_ArchimedesResult.html

 

[Craig B]

While we're waiting for DOC to come back and admit the obvious failure of all the Bible prophecies, here is a little piece about Archimede's Death Ray:
http://web.mit.edu/2.009/www/experiments/deathray/10_ArchimedesResult.html

What about Archimedes' Claw that allegedly could grab Roman ships and capsize them? Sounds far fetched to me.

I take it the Romans finally assaulted Syracuse on a cloudy day, to escape the attentions of the solar-powered death rays.

Did God prophesy any of this, by the way, or was he interested only in the Eastern, rather than the Western, Mediterranean?

 

[Brainache]

What about Archimedes' Claw that allegedly could grab Roman ships and capsize them? Sounds far fetched to me.

I take it the Romans finally assaulted Syracuse on a cloudy day, to escape the attentions of the solar-powered death rays.

Did God prophesy any of this, by the way, or was he interested only in the Eastern, rather than the Western, Mediterranean?

IIRC there was some Prophecy about a son of man coming in the clouds and ruling the whole world and that this was supposed to happen about 2000 years ago.

It must be true because someone somewhere once told someone else what to do...

 

[DOC]

While we're waiting for DOC to come back and admit the obvious failure of all the Bible prophecies...

How could I ever do that when (besides my other posts) there is Isaiah chapter 53, and also the verse in Ezekiel 26 that accurately prophecizes Tyre will become a place over which fisherman will place their nets.

I also see in another alleged false prophecy, the person who alleged the false prophecy again left out a very important verse in their claim. Also there is evidence that their historical claim is false. I wish I had more time but I should get to this by next Wednesday at the latest.

 

[Craig B]

How could I ever do that when (besides my other posts) there is Isaiah chapter 53, and also the verse in Ezekiel 26 that accurately prophecizes Tyre will become a place over which fisherman will place their nets.

DOC, you are toying with our forbearance. The prophecization in fact states (as you have already been told on this thread):

I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.

No doubt people dry fishing nets in Tyre, a coastal, or even island, city; but Ezeikel means that it will be reduced to the status of a bare rock, whose only purpose will be to dry fishing nets. The proof: if he just meant that nets would be dried there, that was no prophecization; for if it happened in the normal course of things, it did so as often before as after Nebu's unsuccessful siege.

The rest of the prophecization cannot be rescued by any wordplay you may seek to indulge in, for Tyre has been rebuilt as often as it has been destroyed, if indeed it has ever been entirely destroyed, and its present existence - and population of well over 100,000 - are living proof that Ezekiel was prophecizing through his fundament.