JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

[Border Reiver]

Google it. Find out for yourself.

Done. Since this crime didn't take place in that jurisdiction nor is it a crime for which it would be permitted, the existence of such tests would be inadmissable in a Texas court.

 

[Robert Prey]

"... I altered the autopsy photos and here are the unaltered originals and negatives."

Or "... I altered the Zapruder film along with [Naming names] and here is a copy of the camera original, unaltered."

Or "... I altered the backyard photos and here is what we started with, and here are the intermediary steps."

Or "... I planted the bullet in Parkland and here is a another bullet that I intended to drop in the dirt in Dealey Plaza if necessary. You will note this second bullet is ballistically traceable to Oswald's rifle, just like the one I planted in Parkland."

etc. etc.

It's not just a STORY, Robert.

It's evidence to substantiate the story.

It's evidence that couldn't be obtained anywhere else, that is verifiable as authentic.

Anybody could tell a story.

Hank

The trouble is, that's the other conspiracy. I'm referring to the conspiracy to assassinate the President. You are referring to the conspiracy to alter, forge, destroy the evidence. No need for a confession on those counts, which have already been amply proved.

 

[Robert Prey]

25 years of debating Conspiracy Theorists has taught me one thing: "Google it" is CT-speak for "I don't have a clue".

Hank

NO. If it's a simple question that only requires a click or two to validate, the questioner is really seeking to have someone else do his homework. Do your own homework is what it means.

 

[BravesFan]

Having someone else who agrees with you silly ideas write as much doesn't equal a citable piece of "evidence" no is it PROOF.

 

[Robert Prey]

You originally said nobody SAW the shooter(s) in the TSBD:




Now you are redefining what you said originally to fit what your argument, but you didn't say "nobody ID'ed the shooter". You said "nobody saw the shooter(s)". And that was the point I made.

Fischer and Edwards saw a man in the sniper's nest window. Less than a minute later, a rifle was seen in that window.
Ergo, Fischer and Edwards saw the shooter, contrary to your *original* statement.

And regarding Oswald's professed love for JFK, Oswald in custody said he liked the Kennedy family, but so what?
Oswald himself wrote that he INFILTRATED the anti-Castro Cuban movement in New Orleans. Do you know what INFILTRATED means?

Oswald was a Marxist, as he told the police in custody. He had no compunction admitting that even in custody, but note he did say that, in light of the charges against him, he did not want to discuss Kennedy's policies.

If he was a patsy being framed, and NOT a Marxist, why did he lie about in custody?

Twist this all you want, but the evidence still points at Oswald as the guilty party.

Hank

Are you old enough to remember 'I Led Three Lives" TV program??? Did you know that Herb Philbrck was Oswald's idol and that was his favorite program? Does that suggest anything to you as to why LHO was an avowed Marxist/US Marine/Naval Intell Agent, CIA operative, FBI Operative, with an Army Intell record as well? Or would you prefer to keep your head in the sand? Do you know what a Double Agent is and how they operate????

 

[Robert Prey]

We're not just talking multiple shooters, Robert. Ignore my points some more.

We're talking alterations to the autopsy photos, alterations to the body, alterations to the films taken in Dealey Plaza, if your intent is to kill the President AND frame a patsy. We're talking getting the autopsists to lie about what they saw.

We're talking planting of bullets in Parkland, planting of fragments in the limo, and planting of shells on the sixth floor.

We're talking planting of a rifle that wasn't used in the shooting. We're talking planting a paper bag on the sixth floor to frame the patsy for bringing the rifle into the building in a paper bag.

We're talking forging the backyard photos, then getting Marina to lie about them.

There's a ton of stuff that has to get done to cover the conspirators' behinds AND frame the patsy.

There's a lot of loose ends there.

The plan that you suggest was carried out has a high chance of discovery, yet the perpetrators haven't been discovered yet (who altered the body, for instance? Who altered the Zapruder film? Who altered the autopsy photos?, etc. etc.). Who planted the rifle

After 50 years, you claim the conspiracy is a done deal, but you cannot answer the most rudimentary questions about why they would do it the way they did.

My way - as long as you have a half-way decent shot in the sixth floor window - is much simpler and if you don't get him, maybe you get another opportunity two weeks later, in another motorcade.

Or you crash AF1 or a helocopter the President flies in.

Whatever, but it doesn't involve a cast of thousands. Each a failure point, as each of these people could come forth and say, yeah, I planted the bullet at Parkland (and I have proof).

Hank

You continue to mix two separate conspiracies. The coverup has already been proven. It's the assassination that you need to address. Your examples are ludicrous.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Are you old enough to remember 'I Led Three Lives" TV program??? Did you know that Herb Philbrck was Oswald's idol and that was his favorite program? Does that suggest anything to you as to why LHO was an avowed Marxist/US Marine/Naval Intell Agent, CIA operative, FBI Operative, with an Army Intell record as well? Or would you prefer to keep your head in the sand? Do you know what a Double Agent is and how they operate????

Too many questions. Calm down and start over. One question at a time.

 

[RoboTimbo]

You continue to mix two separate conspiracies. The coverup has already been proven. It's the assassination that you need to address. Your examples are ludicrous.

Baloney.

 

[HSienzant]

NO. If it's a simple question that only requires a click or two to validate, the questioner is really seeking to have someone else do his homework. Do your own homework is what it means.

If there's one thing I've learned in 25 years of debating CTers online, it's that "Do your own homework" means "I don't have a clue."

Robert, it would have been easier to just the documention that to tell us multiple times that the evidence exists on the internet.

Wouldn't it?

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

The trouble is, that's the other conspiracy. I'm referring to the conspiracy to assassinate the President. You are referring to the conspiracy to alter, forge, destroy the evidence. No need for a confession on those counts, which have already been amply proved.

sigh. No, Robert, nothing has been proven by you on any of those counts. Multiple things have been alleged, but none proven. You are assuming what you need to prove.

You need to start somewhere. Tell us how you know these are two separate conspiracies, with different conspirators, and not one conspiracy. Please, I'd love to hear that.

Otherwise, you are simply attempting to deflect attention from the fact that you have no evidence proving any conspiracy.

Here's my points again. When you finally get around to naming the grassy knoll assassin, let's see if you can present any evidence that would prove the truthfulness of the supposed shooter (rather than just having somebody telling you an interesting bedtime story):

"... I altered the autopsy photos and here are the unaltered originals and negatives."

Or "... I altered the Zapruder film along with [Naming names] and here is a copy of the camera original, unaltered."

Or "... I altered the backyard photos and here is what we started with, and here are the intermediary steps."

Or "... I planted the bullet in Parkland and here is a another bullet that I intended to drop in the dirt in Dealey Plaza if necessary. You will note this second bullet is ballistically traceable to Oswald's rifle, just like the one I planted in Parkland."

etc. etc.

It's not just a STORY, Robert.

It's evidence to substantiate the story.

It's evidence that couldn't be obtained anywhere else, that is verifiable as authentic.

Anybody could tell a story.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Are you old enough to remember 'I Led Three Lives" TV program??? Did you know that Herb Philbrck was Oswald's idol and that was his favorite program? Does that suggest anything to you as to why LHO was an avowed Marxist/US Marine/Naval Intell Agent, CIA operative, FBI Operative, with an Army Intell record as well? Or would you prefer to keep your head in the sand? Do you know what a Double Agent is and how they operate????

Yes, I am. But only vaguely. My favorite shows was I Spy, Mission Impossible, and The Man From U..N.C.L.E when I was a teen. Does that suggest anything to you about why I'm not an avowed Marxist, US Marine, Naval Intel Agent, CIA operative, FBI operative, and have no Army Intell record (to the best of my knowledge).

PS: You got two right out of your litany: Oswald was an avowed Marxist and former US Marine. There is no evidence for the rest. For example, I quoted Oswald's own admission in a letter to the Russia Embassy that he infiltrated the anti-Cuban movement. You make a bunch of unsourced and unproven allegations that are worthless in your attempt to rebut Oswald's own admission.

PPS: I noticed you failed to address any of the points I raised. Here they are again:

You originally said nobody SAW the shooter(s) in the TSBD:

Oh, but there may have indeed been a shooter or shooters from the TSBD. But none of them nor the Grassy Knoll shooters were seen...

Now you are redefining what you said originally to fit what your argument, but you didn't say "nobody ID'ed the shooter". You said "nobody saw the shooter(s)". And that was the point I made.

Fischer and Edwards saw a man in the sniper's nest window. Less than a minute later, a rifle was seen in that window.
Ergo, Fischer and Edwards saw the shooter, contrary to your *original* statement.

And regarding Oswald's professed love for JFK, Oswald in custody said he liked the Kennedy family, but so what?

Oswald himself wrote that he INFILTRATED the anti-Castro Cuban movement in New Orleans. Do you know what INFILTRATED means?

Oswald was a Marxist, as he told the police in custody. He had no compunction admitting that even in custody, but note he did say that, in light of the charges against him, he did not want to discuss Kennedy's policies.

If he was a patsy being framed, and NOT a Marxist, why did he lie about it in custody?

Twist this all you want, but the evidence still points at Oswald as the guilty party.

Hank

 

[LSSBB]

Comedy gold.

I think the proper element here for Robert's theory is lead, possibly in the form of baloons.

 

[Tomtomkent]

The trouble is, that's the other conspiracy. I'm referring to the conspiracy to assassinate the President. You are referring to the conspiracy to alter, forge, destroy the evidence. No need for a confession on those counts, which have already been amply proved.

Yet you have failed to prove it here.

And now you claim there was a second, independant conspiracy?

Yay! If in doubt make your claims more silly!

So, going to answer the question yourself, rather than expecting somebody else to do it for you:

With out any physical evidence to support your claims, why should we give crredence to any alleged confession over any other alleged confession?

 

[Tomtomkent]

You continue to mix two separate conspiracies. The coverup has already been proven. It's the assassination that you need to address. Your examples are ludicrous.

Oh good, it continues to be proven.

Any day now you will show us evidence that a single frame of the Z film has been altered, that extends beyond "My witness disagrees with it, so I believe it has to be faked." (Because, and I hate to remind you of this Robert, I have more than 40 witnesses to the Statue of Liberty being made to disapear, yet the films showing it to be there aren't faked!)

You still haven't proven anything Robert. You are giving us good reason to assume you don't actually know what the word "proof" means. Have you identified frames of the Z film that show signs of being painted? Have you shown marks in the emulsion of any photo to suggest the negatives were overlapped, cut, or otherwise edited?

No. You have supplied one doofus, holding a rifle analogue in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT POSE TO AVOID "IMPOSSIBLE" SHADOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLICATED AT LEAST TWICE IN THIS VERY THREAD.

That is not "Proof".

 

[Tomtomkent]

Are you old enough to remember 'I Led Three Lives" TV program??? Did you know that Herb Philbrck was Oswald's idol and that was his favorite program? Does that suggest anything to you as to why LHO was an avowed Marxist/US Marine/Naval Intell Agent, CIA operative, FBI Operative, with an Army Intell record as well? Or would you prefer to keep your head in the sand? Do you know what a Double Agent is and how they operate????

So, out of interest which of those can you actually prove applied to LHO?

He was a marine, with air traffic control qualifications.
He was a Marxist by hos own admission and life style.

Beyond that it appears to be fantasy: CIA? Comes from a fairy story about his defection. FBI Operative? Ditto. Fairy stories about his joining both pro and anti castro groups. Entirely in keeping with a fantasist who wanted be outside and above the regular folk (Just like you Robert). Army Intel records? Gosh you mean intelligence services may have had files on a defector? A bit different from recruiting him...

 

[Robert Prey]

Oh good, it continues to be proven.

Any day now you will show us evidence that a single frame of the Z film has been altered, that extends beyond "My witness disagrees with it, so I believe it has to be faked." (Because, and I hate to remind you of this Robert, I have more than 40 witnesses to the Statue of Liberty being made to disapear, yet the films showing it to be there aren't faked!)

You still haven't proven anything Robert. You are giving us good reason to assume you don't actually know what the word "proof" means. Have you identified frames of the Z film that show signs of being painted? Have you shown marks in the emulsion of any photo to suggest the negatives were overlapped, cut, or otherwise edited?

No. You have supplied one doofus, holding a rifle analogue in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT POSE TO AVOID "IMPOSSIBLE" SHADOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLICATED AT LEAST TWICE IN THIS VERY THREAD.

That is not "Proof".

Forged, altered, substituted autopsy photos, burned initial autopsy report, missing brain, two autopsies, FBI intimidation to change witness statements, backyard photos proven forged: That's enough to proof of cover-up.

 

[Robert Prey]

Yet you have failed to prove it here.

And now you claim there was a second, independant conspiracy?

Yay! If in doubt make your claims more silly!

So, going to answer the question yourself, rather than expecting somebody else to do it for you:

With out any physical evidence to support your claims, why should we give crredence to any alleged confession over any other alleged confession?

So, you continue to duck the question.

 

[Robert Prey]

Yes, I am. But only vaguely. My favorite shows was I Spy, Mission Impossible, and The Man From U..N.C.L.E when I was a teen. Does that suggest anything to you about why I'm not an avowed Marxist, US Marine, Naval Intel Agent, CIA operative, FBI operative, and have no Army Intell record (to the best of my knowledge).

PS: You got two right out of your litany: Oswald was an avowed Marxist and former US Marine. There is no evidence for the rest. For example, I quoted Oswald's own admission in a letter to the Russia Embassy that he infiltrated the anti-Cuban movement. You make a bunch of unsourced and unproven allegations that are worthless in your attempt to rebut Oswald's own admission.

PPS: I noticed you failed to address any of the points I raised. Here they are again:

And you continue to duck questions:

1.) Better for conspirators to set up a Patsy or not?

2.) What is a believable assassination conspiracy confession.

 

[Robert Prey]

sigh. No, Robert, nothing has been proven by you on any of those counts. Multiple things have been alleged, but none proven. You are assuming what you need to prove.

You need to start somewhere. Tell us how you know these are two separate conspiracies, with different conspirators, and not one conspiracy. Please, I'd love to hear that.

Otherwise, you are simply attempting to deflect attention from the fact that you have no evidence proving any conspiracy.

Here's my points again. When you finally get around to naming the grassy knoll assassin, let's see if you can present any evidence that would prove the truthfulness of the supposed shooter (rather than just having somebody telling you an interesting bedtime story):

The fake autopsy photos are declared so by those who took them and developed the originals. That is proof of a cover-up in and of itself. The rest logically follows.

 

[Robert Prey]

So, out of interest which of those can you actually prove applied to LHO?

He was a marine, with air traffic control qualifications.
He was a Marxist by hos own admission and life style.

Beyond that it appears to be fantasy: CIA? Comes from a fairy story about his defection. FBI Operative? Ditto. Fairy stories about his joining both pro and anti castro groups. Entirely in keeping with a fantasist who wanted be outside and above the regular folk (Just like you Robert). Army Intel records? Gosh you mean intelligence services may have had files on a defector? A bit different from recruiting him...

How do you know his affiliation with anti-Castro groups is a fairy story but his Marxist, pro-Cuban sentiments is not a fairy story? How do you tell when a Double Agent is telling the truth?????