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JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Why would John Wilkes Booth jump from the balcony risking certain injury and capture? Because he wasn't thinking.....

IMO, all of the above things are part of the evidence proving that LHO was unstable and had focused his lack of personal stability onto JFK.

You entire basis for your argument seems to be around that LHO said he was a Patsy and the silly fake after the fact, drawings of JFK's head wound. Yet you disregard the actual evidence to the contrary.

You know, Ted Bundy said he was innocent too..... and there were some discrepancies with what the evidence was and what he claimed he had done after he started confessing hoping to save his own behind... Does that mean there was a conspiracy to kill a bunch of college girls?

History shows that the assassination of Lincoln was not the result of some crazy loner, but an elaborate conspiracy involving several people -- just like the conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And the overwhelming medical evidence is proof.
 
LHO was a charmless screwup who came to the grimly banal conclusion that infamy is better than no fame at all and therefore decided to take potshots at his betters.

Fame or infamy? But Oswald then should have shouted to the world, 'Yeah,I did it and I'm proud of killing that dirty Capitalist." But no, he denied shooting anybody and all reports from friends and wife are that he loved President Kennedy. Make sense? To the very nutty closed minded Lone Nutter, perfect sense.
 
You have yet to prove LHO even fired a single shot.

Yes at the moment we can only prove he obtained the rifle, took it to his place of work, loaded it, held it in a firing stance, quite coincidentally from the same place all three shots were fired from.

We have evidence of the bullets impacts,film and photographs of the resulting wounds.

Who would argue with his success?
You on the other hand have stories.
 
Fame or infamy? But Oswald then should have shouted to the world, 'Yeah,I did it and I'm proud of killing that dirty Capitalist." But no, he denied shooting anybody and all reports from friends and wife are that he loved President Kennedy. Make sense? To the very nutty closed minded Lone Nutter, perfect sense.

No. Given the attention he wanted it makes perfect sense for him to claim to be a patsy.

Or had you not noticed you are still rewarding him with the attention he desired? You hero worshipped him in a previous post. You want him to get a medal.
 
History shows that the assassination of Lincoln was not the result of some crazy loner, but an elaborate conspiracy involving several people -- just like the conspiracy to assassinate JFK. And the overwhelming medical evidence is proof.

The overwhelming medical evidence. You mean the autopsy,photographs,x rays and the likewhich contradict your claims?

No, you mean stories told by doctors who didn't look at the back of the head. Not in itself medical evidence. Certainly not pathological evidence.
 
Was Caesar murdered with a pillow? How about Abe Lincoln? Or McKinley? Or Garfield? Or the attempt on TR? No, I don't think pillows are very professional.
Every one of those assasinations was amateurish in the extreme, a professional assassin wouldnt be dumb enough to shoot someone in broad daylight in front of witnesses.
 
Every one of those assasinations was amateurish in the extreme, a professional assassin wouldnt be dumb enough to shoot someone in broad daylight in front of witnesses.

Where as Dr Shipman was able to continue a career of murder over a scale of decades and tens of victims by disguising his methods.

The alleged assassination of marylin monroe has never been confirmed because of a. Lack of rifle toting kill teams in clear view of the public.

Other "hobbyist" killers have gone outside of detection for multiple kills, with great success, yet are apparently "unprofessional". Are the CIA, and LBJs personal assassins less competent than untrained unprofessional killers? They had access to the target in private. They could stage an accident or death by natural causes, but instead not only made their attack at a time when their access was minimal, but when the requirements to cover their tracks were maximised.
 
Also unproven. Still makes no sense to leave a paper trail, regardless. And you don't know what LHO's handlers were thinking when they began the frsme-up with the paper trail order.

But Oswald thought he had avoided the paper trail by using an alias.

He signed photographs of him holding the rifle and gave it to friends.

It may make no sense to you, but we are talking about an individual who thought killing the president, as well as others, made sense.
 
But Oswald thought he had avoided the paper trail by using an alias.

More nonsense. So in allegedly committing the crime of the century, he carries the alias in his wallet. Perfect sense to a Lone Nutter. The way you avoid a paper trail is to not have one. Obviously. But a paper trail was crucial to the conspirators to set Oswald up as a Patsy.
 
Every one of those assasinations was amateurish in the extreme, a professional assassin wouldnt be dumb enough to shoot someone in broad daylight in front of witnesses.

And which of the several assassinations and attempted assassinations of US Presidents was "professional"????????
I'd say the most professional were the ones that succeeded. Many did not succeed.
 
And which of the several assassinations and attempted assassinations of US Presidents was "professional"????????
I'd say the most professional were the ones that succeeded. Many did not succeed.
I would say none of them, and the ones that were successful were more down to luck than professionalism.

Its just my opinion of course as it is your opinon that they were professional hits, unless you have some evidence to the contrary. ;)
 
If the P test is of no use, then why was it conducted?????

Please read the testimony of the people involved. It was all covered - in detail - in the Warren Commission hearings.

Funny that you are criticizing the Warren Commission for not finding out the truth, but don't even know what was concluded or why. What kind of critic is that?

One armed with an agenda, not the facts.

Hank
 
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Also unproven. Still makes no sense to leave a paper trail, regardless. And you don't know what LHO's handlers were thinking when they began the frsme-up with the paper trail order.

Please show me some of the evidence for the existence of these supposed handlers you are assuming existed.

No evidence of that exists.

And do get some understanding of what Oswald was trying to accomplish by taking a shot at Walker. Having a provable paper trail was essential to his plan to defect to Cuba and be hailed a hero for taking out one of Castro's biggest enemies.

Hank
 
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Nonetheless the record shows that there was an assassination team practicing the potential assassination of Castro.

Absolutely. But to date you've provided no evidence that is linked to Oswald's assassination in any fashion. Look, we just had a shooting by a disaffected youth in Ohio. A young man who isn't grounded well decides to solve his problems with a gun. You act as if you don't read the daily papers.

Not everything is a conspiracy, Robert. You just think it is.

Hank
 
More nonsense. So in allegedly committing the crime of the century, he carries the alias in his wallet. Perfect sense to a Lone Nutter. The way you avoid a paper trail is to not have one. Obviously. But a paper trail was crucial to the conspirators to set Oswald up as a Patsy.


Let's think about your last claim for a moment. Why was a paper trail crucial to framing the patsy?

It's not.

A witness - which you trust more than film and photos - would be more believable than a paper trail, wouldn't it? Couldn't this vast conspiracy find one gun store clerk in Dallas to say, "Yeah, I sold him that Mauser about two weeks ago and he paid cash. I remember him because he wanted me to throw in the rounds for free. Then said something about coming into cash in a few days for a big job."

Your claim that a paper trail is crucial is nonsense, because it conflicts with your claims that witnesses are the best evidence.

And yes, he was arrested with his fake ID in his wallet, because at that point it didn't matter. He expected to get arrested in a few days at the most in any case after shooting the President. But he had enough time to finish the attempt on Walker. Hence his hurried trip back to the roominghouse to get the revolver, and his shooting Tippit to stay free to finish the job.

Now, contrast his wallet contents on 11/22/63 with the sanitized version when he was arrested in New Orleans in the summer of 1963 (No fake ID). And read over his statement to the FBI, given at his request, and determine what crucial well-established fact it omits.

What does that tell you?

Consciousness of guilt, Robert. Consciousness of guilt.

Hank
 
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Yeah why would a guy who thought he had out smarted the system carry a fake ID?

Robert calls things nonsense because he asks what he would do, or worse what a spy/patsy/fantasy flavour of the month do. Not what Oswald would do.

He doesn't even notice his ideas are imcompatible. On the one hand Oswald was a smart spy who went totop secret language school, had handlers and presumably did something usefull in the USSR. On the other hand he was dumb enough to help himself be framed, carry incriminating ID and walkinto a trap. Which is it?

Oswald was a fantasist. Maybe he thought the fake ID could be used to slip away when the world wanted Oswald. Maybe he thought the rifle wouldn't be traced back to it. Maybe all kinds of other stuff, but it was his ID, his rifle, his location. Regardless of who else Robert tries to prove pulled a trigger, he can't counter the weight of evidence against Oswald in any meaningful way.
 
You have yet to prove LHO even fired a single shot.

What would qualify as proof to you, Robert?

We have everything we need to prove Oswald was the shooter.

Fingerprints on the trigger guard of the rifle found in the building? We got 'em, but you will claim they are planted, forged, or Scalise lied about what they show.

Fingerprints on the boxes in the sniper's nest window? We got 'em, but you claim they are meaningless because Oswald worked in the building and could have handled the boxes in his line of work.

A nearly-whole bullet fired from his weapon found at the Hospital where the victims were taken? We got that. But you claim it was planted.

Bullet fragments traceable to his weapon - to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world - found in the limo? We got that, but you claim those are planted.

How about eyewitnesses who saw a young man looking like Oswald in the window? We got 'em, but you discredit each and every one.

How about film and photos showing Oswald in the window? We don't got that, but if we did, you would just allege they were altered by the conspirators. Like you do with solid evidence like the Zapruder film and the Moorman photo.

So what, exactly, would it take to prove to YOU that Oswald was the assassin? Can you answer that question?

If you won't accept anything, then admit that, and acknowledge your claim above is an empty shell, totally meaningless to the case.

The evidence indicates Oswald fired all the shots. Denying it over and over won't change that fact. Especially when you won't accept any evidence that indicates Oswald's guilt.

Hank
 
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And which of the several assassinations and attempted assassinations of US Presidents was "professional"????????
I'd say the most professional were the ones that succeeded. Many did not succeed.

Those which are professional would be those done by professionals. People whose life vocation was assassination, trained for that purpose. Being part of a conspiracy was not enough to become a professional assassin. Being a trained assassin in the habit of taking lives is different from just deciding to pick up a gun one day.

Assassins who use multiple fire teams to set up a kill zone, be they terrorist, soldiers, or criminal, do not use a patsy. Those who intend to walk away afterwards with their identity a mystery do not use the methods Robert describes.

Professionals don't tend to use rifles in the way Robert describes unless all other options are exhausted. It is far more common for organised groups to use explosive devices. It is easier to 1) avoid detection, 2) escape after, 3)maximise the chances of a fatality, and 4) "frame a patsy" with false evidence, if this is indeed part of your plan.

It amazes me that conspiracy theorists assume that state sponsored assassinations with the resources they attribute to the likes of the JFK, and RFK murders -or more precisely the cover-ups afterwards would not have just avoided the obvious and expensive head aches by avoiding the need to obtain and alter all films and autopsy reports, stage the WC, plant false witnesses, etc, when by necessity of being "in the game" they would be aware of much more effective methods that have been used before.

Would the CIA have absent mindedly overlooked the use of ricin from an umbrella to kill Markov? Or the 1950s use of an arsnic spray to make the deaths of Lev Rebet and Stepan Bandera appear to be heart attacks? If only one had died that way would suspicions have been raised above kooky conspiacy theories?

Why would the CIA suddenly forget their jobs and plan a military operation for what should have been a spy game? Why would they, in short, act like ametures instead of assassins during an assassination?

Or, on the other hand we have LHO, a former marine, not an assassin, taking out a guy like with the method of a former marine. We have LHO alone, playing at being a spy with all the skill of a fantasist.

There is too much physical evidence missing from Roberts theory, too many reasons that anybody with the power to fulfil his fantasy would have worked any other way. There is not enough reason to believe any of it happened as he described. He has yet to show evidence of a single frame of film, or a single photograph to have been altered. All he can say is "people didn't remember it that way." Not the same thing, by any way or means.
 
Those which are professional would be those done by professionals. People whose life vocation was assassination, trained for that purpose. Being part of a conspiracy was not enough to become a professional assassin. Being a trained assassin in the habit of taking lives is different from just deciding to pick up a gun one day.

Assassins who use multiple fire teams to set up a kill zone, be they terrorist, soldiers, or criminal, do not use a patsy. Those who intend to walk away afterwards with their identity a mystery do not use the methods Robert describes.

Professionals don't tend to use rifles in the way Robert describes unless all other options are exhausted. It is far more common for organised groups to use explosive devices. It is easier to 1) avoid detection, 2) escape after, 3)maximise the chances of a fatality, and 4) "frame a patsy" with false evidence, if this is indeed part of your plan.

It amazes me that conspiracy theorists assume that state sponsored assassinations with the resources they attribute to the likes of the JFK, and RFK murders -or more precisely the cover-ups afterwards would not have just avoided the obvious and expensive head aches by avoiding the need to obtain and alter all films and autopsy reports, stage the WC, plant false witnesses, etc, when by necessity of being "in the game" they would be aware of much more effective methods that have been used before.

Would the CIA have absent mindedly overlooked the use of ricin from an umbrella to kill Markov? Or the 1950s use of an arsnic spray to make the deaths of Lev Rebet and Stepan Bandera appear to be heart attacks? If only one had died that way would suspicions have been raised above kooky conspiacy theories?

Why would the CIA suddenly forget their jobs and plan a military operation for what should have been a spy game? Why would they, in short, act like ametures instead of assassins during an assassination?

Or, on the other hand we have LHO, a former marine, not an assassin, taking out a guy like with the method of a former marine. We have LHO alone, playing at being a spy with all the skill of a fantasist.

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Except that he didn't do it.
 
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