The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[Lucian]

Ack!

[Pedant back] To be clear: "axe-murderer" means you murder axes (I'm not sure that is a sin). "Axe murderer" means you murder with axes (that may be a sin).

I am sure if you want to boast about either, you want it to be clear what you are doing!

No more on this subject from me.

Yes, awkward revision on my part: I'd originally said "axe-murdering Christian," then decided to reword and didn't get rid of they hyphen when I was fiddling about with things.

 

[Rincewind]

It's good to see that the "E" in the JREF is still working.

Until now, I never realised that axes were alive!

Thanks guys...

 

[DOC]

I have been reading this thread for the last hour and It didn't look like anyone debunked the 120 year life span nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

Verified oldest person has lived to be 122 years, 164 days. Birth certificate included.

Close enough? Sorry god, you gotta be a little more all knowing than that.

Other than that great thread. Keep going DOC, I'm almost ready to stop being an axe murdering atheist.

For the record the oldest man was was 120 years. So I guess you can interpret that anyway you wish.

Maybe God let's women live longer as compensation for being the child bearers.

 

[DOC]

T. In any case, he seems to have been stopped at the border.

Is that just a guess or is there a source for that?

 

[Akhenaten]

For the record the oldest man was was 120 years. So I guess you can interpret that anyway you wish.

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Maybe God let's women live longer as compensation for being the child bearers.

Maybe your demon doesn't exist so you have to pretend all kinds of things about it and forlornly hope that others will go along with it.

 

[Akhenaten]

T. In any case, he seems to have been stopped at the border.

Is that just a guess or is there a source for that?

It's an hypothesis based on:

1. neither side having mentioned that any significant incursion took place. and
   
   
2. a complete lack of physical evidence of Babylonian activity inside Egypt's borders.

Do you have anything to refute this hypothesis?

Lacking even that, you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that the whole rest of the prophecy was fulfilled.

 

[Elizabeth I]

For the record the oldest man was was 120 years. So I guess you can interpret that anyway you wish.

Maybe God let's women live longer as compensation for being the child bearers.

Or maybe the age fairy shows up at our christenings and sprinkles a few extra years on us.

 

[Mojo]

Maybe God let's women live longer as compensation for being the child bearers.

Considering the number of women who used to die in childbirth before we managed to develop medical approaches to prevent it, this seems unlikely.

You don't need an apostrohe in "lets" there, by the way. With the apostrophe it is a contraction of "let us".

 

[dafydd]

Is that just a guess or is there a source for that?

Stop it. The prophecy failed and you know it. What about the prophecy regarding uncircumcised men in Jerusalem? That one has failed too.

 

[DOC]

It's an hypothesis based on:

1. neither side having mentioned that any significant incursion took place. and
   
   
2. a complete lack of physical evidence of Babylonian activity inside Egypt's borders.

Do you have anything to refute this hypothesis?

Lacking even that, you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that the whole rest of the prophecy was fulfilled.

A clay tablet that says this: From Wiki on Nebu.

Following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet,[7] now in the British Museum, states: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." Having completed the subjugation of Phoenicia, and a campaign against Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar set himself to rebuild and adorn the city of Babylon, and constructed canals, aqueducts, temples and reservoirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

Here's what the Jewish Encyclopedia says on Neb.

Ihe king and his sons were brought before Nebuchadnezzar at Riblah; the sons were slain, and the king's eyes bored out; and he was carried in chains to Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar caused Jerusalem to be destroyed, and the sacred vessels of the Temple to be carried to Babylon. He placed Gedaliah in authority over the Jews who remained in the land. In the twenty-third year of his reign Nebuchadnezzar's captain of the guard carried away 745 Jews, who had been gathered from those scattered through the land. Nebuchadnezzar entered Egypt also (Jer. xlvi. 13-26; Ezek. xxix. 2-20), according to his own inscriptions about 567, and dealt a severe blow to its supremacy and power.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11407-nebuchadnezzar

 

[Akhenaten]

It's an hypothesis based on:

1. neither side having mentioned that any significant incursion took place. and
   
   
2. a complete lack of physical evidence of Babylonian activity inside Egypt's borders.

Do you have anything to refute this hypothesis?

Lacking even that, you're going to have a hard time demonstrating that the whole rest of the prophecy was fulfilled.

A clay tablet that says this: From Wiki on Nebu.

I'll bet the archæologist who found that was pretty surprised.

Following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet,[7] now in the British Museum, states: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon,he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." Having completed the subjugation of Phoenicia, and a campaign against Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar set himself to rebuild and adorn the city of Babylon, and constructed canals, aqueducts, temples and reservoirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

I'll ask you the same thing I asked you on one of the previous occasions when you posted that paragraph.

Could you please highlight the part that discusses a successful invasion?

 

[ddt]

A clay tablet that says this: From Wiki on Nebu.

Following the pacification of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar turned again to Egypt. A clay tablet,[7] now in the British Museum, states: "In the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar, king of the country of Babylon, he went to Mitzraim (Egypt) to wage war. Amasis, king of Egypt, collected [his army], and marched and spread abroad." Having completed the subjugation of Phoenicia, and a campaign against Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar set himself to rebuild and adorn the city of Babylon, and constructed canals, aqueducts, temples and reservoirs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

Here's what the Jewish Encyclopedia says on Neb.

Ihe king and his sons were brought before Nebuchadnezzar at Riblah; the sons were slain, and the king's eyes bored out; and he was carried in chains to Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar caused Jerusalem to be destroyed, and the sacred vessels of the Temple to be carried to Babylon. He placed Gedaliah in authority over the Jews who remained in the land. In the twenty-third year of his reign Nebuchadnezzar's captain of the guard carried away 745 Jews, who had been gathered from those scattered through the land. Nebuchadnezzar entered Egypt also (Jer. xlvi. 13-26; Ezek. xxix. 2-20), according to his own inscriptions about 567, and dealt a severe blow to its supremacy and power.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11407-nebuchadnezzar

So he could conquer a petty state like Judah and carry away captives. That says nothing about his accomplishments in Egypt. I note that your quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia uses the same Bible verses as "proof" for his success - we're back at "The Bible is true because the Bible says so"?

Still no evidence for that prophecy, isn't there? What about the "no more images in Memphis" and the "punishment of Thebes"? We're still waiting for your evidence that Nebuchadnezzar invaded so far into Egypt.

 

[joobz]

For the record the oldest man was was 120 years. So I guess you can interpret that anyway you wish.

DOC, I have a hard time believing that even you buy this nonsense.*

Maybe God let's women live longer as compensation for being the child bearers.

Considering that painful child birth was a punishment he meted out to women(Genesis 3:16), why would he do that?




ETA:
By the way, the oldest recorded man is 115. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people
This is 5 years less than the supposed maximum life span. That would Also mean that god was wrong.

 

[RoboTimbo]

So I guess you can interpret that anyway you wish.

That strategy isn't working out so well for you.

 

[Akhenaten]

Maybe God let's women live longer as compensation for being the child bearers.

Considering that painful child birth was a punishment he meted out to women(Genesis 3:16), why would he do that?

Holy Contradiction, Batman!

I'm reminded yet again what dab hands atheists are at bible study and how woefully inadequate Christian apologists are at it.

 

[Foster Zygote]

For the record the oldest man was was 120 years. So I guess you can interpret that anyway you wish.

For the record, the tallest man ever was 8' 11.1". Have you met anyone that tall?

 

[Sun Countess]

For the record the oldest man was was 120 years. So I guess you can interpret that anyway you wish.

Maybe God let's women live longer as compensation for being the child bearers.

For my response, I'll just quote another poster:

Is that just a guess or is there a source for that?

As others have already pointed out, the bible has stated that women's "compensation" for child-bearing is extreme pain during the process. So do you have another source that says that God decided to let women live a few years longer than the 120 year figure he gave for men in his infallible holy book?

 

[TimCallahan]

So he could conquer a petty state like Judah and carry away captives. That says nothing about his accomplishments in Egypt. I note that your quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia uses the same Bible verses as "proof" for his success - we're back at "The Bible is true because the Bible says so"?

Still no evidence for that prophecy, isn't there? What about the "no more images in Memphis" and the "punishment of Thebes"? We're still waiting for your evidence that Nebuchadnezzar invaded so far into Egypt.

DDT beat me to it. As DDT says, the Jewish Encyclopedia is merely parroting Bible verses.

Again: Nebuchadnezzar's tablet only states he launched a campaign against Egypt.

Again: There's no archaeological record of devastation in Egypt from this time.

Pharaoh Amasis remained in power long after Nebuchadnezzar died. Neb. died in 562. Amasis died in 526 -- 36 years later. Yet the prophecy in Ezekiel says (Ezek. 30:13) that there would no longer be a prince in Egypt.

 

[dafydd]

DDT beat me to it. As DDT says, the Jewish Encyclopedia is merely parroting Bible verses.

Again: Nebuchadnezzar's tablet only states he launched a campaign against Egypt.

Again: There's no archaeological record of devastation in Egypt from this time.

Pharaoh Amasis remained in power long after Nebuchadnezzar died. Neb. died in 562. Amasis died in 526 -- 36 years later. Yet the prophecy in Ezekiel says (Ezek. 30:13) that there would no longer be a prince in Egypt.

I will bet that Doc will continue to ignore that, just as he ignores the other failed prophecies that I have mentioned.

 

[Brombadil]

For the record the oldest man was was 120 years. So I guess you can interpret that anyway you wish.

Maybe God let's women live longer as compensation for being the child bearers.

Shameless as always.

You should also consider that "predicting" the life span of humans to not exceed 120 years back then was not really an incredible feat, that would be like me predicting today no human shall exceed 220 years of age. Worship me? Pretty please?



Also, thank you for the criticism in regards to my grammar. I realize my punctuation has taken a down hill over time from casual correspondance. I will continue to force out bad habits and not attempt to talk like I'm on MSN messenger. My short term goal includes bringing back the semicolon.