Triumph of the Bigoted, Intolerant Left: Buchanan Fired

why should Democrats be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended slavery since her birth as a nation?
Because we have amtured as people and realize that racial inequality is an evil artificial construct we were better to purge from the collective psyche.

Those who think that racially-mixed marriages are a threat to white people may kiss my race-mixing ass. We do not need any more superstitious twits, especially in positions of authority.
 
why should Democrats be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended slavery since her birth as a nation?

I don't know about you, but I don't think founding, building, and defending slavery is something to be proud of.

Of course, that has nothing to do with this thread, since Buchanan never said that. Freudian slip, Robert?

Eta: should I take this to mean that you don't find the quote to be misleading or out of context? Or that it is and Buchanan is even more outright racist than I had realized?
 
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I'm late to this, but having read through this, a lot sticks with me.

First, I have some of Pat's books. I have yet to make it through any particular one, simply because his rhetoric and venom are that much of an affront. I realize I probably should force my way through, but it almost feels like I'm violating something sacred as I do, as though I'm repudiating what makes me an American.

Buchanan has been offending me in some way or another for ages. His appearances on The McLaughlin Group have always been offensive, (and, no, he hasn't been booted from that program... So much for the Bigoted, Ignorant Left on that score.) His service to Richard Nixon demonstrates a total lack of understanding of what made Nixon so damnably evil. I don't think Buchanan understands the idea behind a "democratic republic," and if I had to guess, I don't think he wants to.

From one of the links provided, a few gems bear mentioning, both for Robert Prey and MaGZ:

The War Between the States was about independence, about self-determination, about the right of a people to break free of a government to which they could no longer give allegiance. How long is this endless groveling before every cry of 'racism' going to continue before the whole country collectively throws up?

Actually, it centered on the right of one group to own another. Based on the color of another person's skin. The last time I checked, that qualified as "racism." Clarence Page once noted that, indeed, there were those of African descent who fought for the South, and that their courage and sacrifice should not be forgotten. But he also noted in the same article that the Confederate flag was raised over the South Carolina state house as an act supporting Segregation.

Page suggested that the Confederate flag currently flown be lowered, retired, and the reason for doing so stated clearly. At that point, a new Confederate flag could then be raised, and and open declaration made why: To honor those who served in the Confederate Army during the Civil War... errr, War of Northern Aggression, regardless of their race.

I don't think Buchanan ever got on that wagon, though if he weren't a racist, I would have thought he would have.

Another little gem...

There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours.

True enough, but what the "negroes" had was decidedly inferior. I'm reminded of the Delany Sisters, and one of them declaring she was going to have some "white water." She was surprised as a child to note there was no difference. (Well, yes. It's water.)

The reality remains that when you pound a population down over the course of at least three centuries, there are certain members of that population who will accept their position is due to something benign, even when it's been proven to be anything but.

Hence, even African Americans found themselves in some numbers in opposition to the end of Segregation after Thurgood Marshall went before the Supreme Court and forced the whole business to be overturned. "Our" side of things were liveable at the very least, while it was perfectly acceptable to force people with darker skin to deal with less, with that which no one else would have.

This was one of the points of Brown V. Board of Education. That Buchanan doesn't get this speaks poorly of him.

There is a legitimate grievance in my view of white working-class people that every time, on every issue, that the black militants loud-mouth it, we come up with more money.... If we can give 50 Phantoms [jet fighters] to the Jews, and a multi-billion dollar welfare program for the blacks...why not help the Catholics save their collapsing school system.

Well, the Catholics are generally running a religiously based education system. And there's this little part in the Constitution -- you've actually heard of that, haven't you, Pat? -- that states the Government will not establish religion. Material support for Parochial Schools would be a violation of that.

At least, that's what most Constitutional Scholars see in this.

What were the Black Militants "loud-mouthing" about? Well, there were objections to what happened at Jackson State. There were police turning dogs loose on peaceful protests, (though much of that was before Nixon), and there were continuing acts of violence against African Americans.

You know. The kind of thing most "reasonable" Blacks should have accepted without a word.

Take a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks.

Even Rush Limbaugh blew a gasket over this one. 'Nuff said.

...White rule of a black majority is inherently wrong. Where did we get that idea? The Founding Fathers did not believe this.

No, the Founding Fathers were largely white landowners, and they were in favor of harsh, even barbaric treatment of the true majority in North America, the indigenous Americans. Not all of them, of course: Benjamin Franklin was vehemently opposed to slavery, the South's "peculiar institution," and insisted that it be brought to an end. Ditto a number of Northerners. It should also be noted that while the South didn't want Blacks allowed to vote, they were more than willing to insist their numbers be counted as part of the Electoral College.

No, the Founding Fathers did not believe this. It was also admitted the Founding Fathers were wrong about a number of things. This is why we can amend the Constitution to correct where it's wrong.

The list goes on and on, and Buchanan is certainly within his rights to spew whatever venom he desires. CNBC simply said they weren't going to provide him a venue for his bile any longer.

The man has other options. As I've noted, he's still a part of the McLaughlin Group, and he still has his regular column. He's hardly been silenced. Indeed, the very book that CNBC found so offensive, that CNBC viewers found so sickening, is still available. He's likely made more money from CNBC firing him, and found a broader audience than he otherwise would have.

I generally don't watch CNBC; I don't have cable. I personally think they should have kept him on just so they could say they've given equal time. But, perhaps his critics are right: Perhaps Pat Buchanan has crossed the line. He's gone too far, even for the more conservative viewers.

No loss. There's always another "true believer" waiting in the wings, ready to take the place of the place of someone who's fallen.

One thing's for sure: Pat's not going to fall very far. He's marketable. That's a lot more than can be said for David Duke.
 
Given this thread is beginning to turn into a tiresome merry-go-round, ....

2) In the course of making 2400 different posts across scores of threads, have you ever read anything in the JREF Politics sub-forum that caused you to change your mind about a specific idea?
Because RP is not going to substantively respond to the many questions put to him which does mean the thread is worn out, I'll take a shot at this.

I can't think of a specific instance that I can link to but one example was the thread about banning burqas(sp?) in France. I was on the fence but reading the various arguments helped me make up my mind. There are many more cases where I may not have changed my mind, but did think, "Gee, that's an interesting perspective" or simply, "Good point" or read a link that I certainly would have missed otherwise. Yeah, sometimes one has to wade through an awful lot of garbage such as that spewed by RP but it can be worth it.
 
Because RP is not going to substantively respond to the many questions put to him which does mean the thread is worn out, I'll take a shot at this.

I can't think of a specific instance that I can link to but one example was the thread about banning burqas(sp?) in France. I was on the fence but reading the various arguments helped me make up my mind. There are many more cases where I may not have changed my mind, but did think, "Gee, that's an interesting perspective" or simply, "Good point" or read a link that I certainly would have missed otherwise. Yeah, sometimes one has to wade through an awful lot of garbage such as that spewed by RP but it can be worth it.

I wish you could find one specific instance. Much of RP's posts leave so repulsed, that even the fine points where we could agree leave me wanting to disagree simply because the rest of his posts are so offensive.
 
Because we have matured as people and realize that racial inequality is an evil artificial construct we were better to purge from the collective psyche.

Those who think that racially-mixed marriages are a threat to white people may kiss my race-mixing ass. We do not need any more superstitious twits, especially in positions of authority.

seconded.
 
Don't you just hate it when some uppity Black Guys escape from the Liberal Brainwash?
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People like this are the reason I am no longer a Republican or a Conservative.


Libraries wait quite a while to get pop best sellers on their shelves.
Actually, they don't. We get ours the exact same time the bookstores do. And we get new DVD releases two weeks before Redbox. [/derail]
 
His appearances on The McLaughlin Group have always been offensive, (and, no, he hasn't been booted from that program... So much for the Bigoted, Ignorant Left on that score.)

But how could that be possible? In his letter, Buchanan said he was "blacklisted", and Robert_Prey says we have to take him at his word!
 
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People like this are the reason I am no longer a Republican or a Conservative.



Actually, they don't. We get ours the exact same time the bookstores do. And we get new DVD releases two weeks before Redbox. [/derail]
And how long do they last?
 
First, I have some of Pat's books. I have yet to make it through any particular one, simply because his rhetoric and venom are that much of an affront. I realize I probably should force my way through, but it almost feels like I'm violating something sacred as I do, as though I'm repudiating what makes me an American.

Oh, give me a BREAK with the chest thumping!
 
Would you prefer scratching my armpits? Since we're talking about Pat, that might be more appropriate.

Since we´re talking about Pat, surely taking a long hot shower and using plenty of soap would be more appropriate?
 
Let us pretend that Pat's book was the most sensitive and insightful agglomeration of words ever put to print. MSNBC still has the right to tell him not to push it with their money.
 
I don't know about you, but I don't think founding, building, and defending slavery is something to be proud of.

Of course, that has nothing to do with this thread, since Buchanan never said that. Freudian slip, Robert?

Eta: should I take this to mean that you don't find the quote to be misleading or out of context? Or that it is and Buchanan is even more outright racist than I had realized?

OK. Here is the original:

"And although Howard Dean disparages the Republicans as the “white party,” why should Republicans be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended America since her birth as a nation?"

Now, what is "racist " about it, excepting the Howard Dean quote, of course?

Should the progeny of the men who founded, built and defended America since her birth be ashamed of the product they forged?
 

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