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AE911T: "WTC 7 Blueprints Exposed Via FOIA Request"

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The 42 files released through FOIA #11-209 include 34 sheets of drawings for the building and seven sheets of drawings for the Plaza Bridge that connected Building 7 to the WTC Plaza across Vesey Street. While no calculations were released the structural drawings include dimensions, notes and details describing the geometry and materials used to construct the building. This information will enable architects, engineers and other researchers to study the design and construction of this unique steel framing system and to draw their own conclusions regarding possible failure modes.

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The 2,587 files released through FOIA #12-009 include steel erection plans, column schedules, bracing elevations and details. Of these, 22 sheets in PDF format include erection drawings for floors one through 17, and 42 sheets in TIF format include erection drawings for the entire building. The remaining 2,523 sheets in TIF format illustrate various fabrication details throughout the structure.

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Obviously the design, detailing, fabrication and erection of WTC 7 took several years from start to finish. It is not obvious how NIST can claim that fires fueled by office furnishings could have compromised this steel structure in a matter of hours and destroyed it in a matter of seconds. Hopefully these design and fabrication drawings will shed light on the third worst structural failure in modern history.
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http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-s...tc-7-blueprints-exposed-via-foia-request.html

Oh, goody, more speculations and ad hoc CDdiddit dogma will be forthcoming.

:popcorn1
 
Hmm...

Something I've been interested in finding out is the stairway on the sixth floor, where Jennings and Hess got stuck. There's probably a switchback or some other transition point they missed in the dark. IIRC, that's the point where WTC was built onto the Con-Ed substation, so the stairs might've done something counterintuitive there.

Can't dl them now, I'm on my phone.
 
Orphia Nay said:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-s...tc-7-blueprints-exposed-via-foia-request.html

Oh, goody, more speculations and ad hoc CDdiddit dogma will be forthcoming.

:popcorn1
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So I go to their site and .....

..... Several clips show clear evidence of editing that Gourley described as “suspicious.” This includes a video of WTC Building 7 from which the penthouse collapse sequence is missing. In another clip that begins just after WTC 7 starts to fall, the soundtrack is strangely silent, and does not turn on until after the building has been completely destroyed.
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And what do you see at the top right side of this same web page for their video of WTC7 Gage has been using for years ....

....a video of WTC Building 7 from which the penthouse collapse sequence is missing. and.....the soundtrack is strangely silent.

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That first video you linked with the missing penthouse collapse footage.. It's been around for years, and I still can't believe truthers fail to figure it out.

If you switch between the two scenes, People, smoke, even the intensity of daylight is noticeably different. The more obvious explanation which none of the truther idiots seem to understand (or want to understand), is that this camera was recording nothing for hours, so it's owner stop it recording. Once he realised the building was beginning to collapse, he started recording again.
 
Oily mother of god, those are some slow loading files. I gave up, too much for my ancient machine, too many 'out of memory' errors and the like.

Anyone else fare better?
 
BasqueArch said:
So I go to their site and .....



And what do you see at the top right side of this same web page for their video of WTC7 Gage has been using for years ....

....a video of WTC Building 7 from which the penthouse collapse sequence is missing. and.....the soundtrack is strangely silent.

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:D Your sig deserves quoting for posterity:

"To a truther, having double standards simply means they're better than the average person, because they have twice as many standards."- CI1mh4224rd
 
AJM8125 said:
Oily mother of god, those are some slow loading files. I gave up, too much for my ancient machine, too many 'out of memory' errors and the like.

Anyone else fare better?
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It took me 7 minutes for the first one (116 MB) and 50 minutes for the second one (899 MB).
 
AJM8125 said:
Yeah, I got the zips. The tif files are the bugger - My tif viewer kept crashing so I gave up.

Unless I'm a moron as usual and I'm not doing something right.
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Ah. What tif viewer are you using? They open normally for me using Irfanview.
 
fourtoe said:
I counted the mention of the word "erection" four times...teehee

But srsly folks, was this an FOIA that AE911T submitted?
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:) Yes, Gage didn't submit it, and it didn't cost any money. AE911Truth donations hard at work. :oldroll:

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I'll have a look at that then, I've got some damned thing I downloaded from cnet a while back.

Thanks love. :)
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Cheers. I'm a huge fan of Irfanview, and use it nearly every day.
 
Orphia Nay said:
:) Yes, Gage didn't submit it, and it didn't cost any money. AE911Truth donations hard at work. :oldroll:



Cheers. I'm a huge fan of Irfanview, and use it nearly every day.
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So someone else in the movement submitted it? Whoever they are though, I always thought that if a Truther is going to these lengths to get information, at least they're trying.

Of course they don't really have to jump through hopes because there is more than enough information out there already, but still.
 
fourtoe said:
So someone else in the movement submitted it? Whoever they are though, I always thought that if a Truther is going to these lengths to get information, at least they're trying.

Of course they don't really have to jump through hopes because there is more than enough information out there already, but still.
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To be fair, it was a petition signer:

Ronald H. Brookman, Structural Engineer
Lic: Structural Engineer 3653 CA Civil Engineer 44654 C
B.S. & M.S. Engineering, U.C. Davis
Novato, CA

But, as I've been saying recently, after seeing their most recent Form 990, AE911T's only paid employee is Richard Gage himself. So this free request didn't put any of the AE donations to work.
 
Ronald H. Brookman's statement on AE911Truth's website:

One of our primary responsibilities as architects and engineers is to ensure public safety in and around our structures, and we take this seriously. It is also our responsibility as concerned American citizens to ask questions and seek honest answers. I encourage everyone to read the numerous books, technical reports and papers about the WTC; look closely at the photographs and videos; listen to the speakers with an open mind. Decide for yourself, and take a stand for what you believe. As a structural engineer I believe in the laws of physics and rely on them every day.

After much reading and studying it is obvious that NIST, FEMA and the 9/11 Commission have all fallen short of a detailed accounting of the catastrophic collapses of the three World Trade Center buildings in Manhattan on 9/11/01. A few examples of unexplained details include the "severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel" as described in Appendix C of the FEMA Building Performance Study, the complete symmetrical collapses following asymmetric structural damage and short-term fires, and the chemical signature of incendiary compounds found in the toxic WTC dust.

I would really like to know why complete collapse of the twin towers "became inevitable" as expressed by NIST without any scientific analysis to substantiate it. Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing most of the contents into dust and ash - twice? Why would WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified - and necessary - for all three collapses.
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http://www2.ae911truth.org/supporters.php?g=_ENGSONLY_
 
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I already downloaded the two ZIP files the night before last. They downloaded pretty nicely considering the size (The second is nearly 1GB!)

It is definitely a good idea to extract (unzip) the files before opening any TIFs!

I have looked at ony a few files - lots of boring stuff. I predict that not even truthers will wade deep into these drawings. Perhaps specific an known details such as "what about the sheer studs at column 79?" can be looked into, but without a directory... >2500 individual detail sheets - that's a serious lot!!

Brookman is their most active, or perhaps only, structural engineer. He has papers and videos already somewhere on ae911truth.org.
 
Sadly I have met in real life engineers who are as mentally incompetent as this R H Brookman. They are a minor but real and significant part of the engineering population.

They can be employed on routine technical engineering tasks - applying standard text book methods to "normal" situations and under some form of supervision to make sure they don't lose the plot.

He publicly admits his own incompetence with this:
I would really like to know why complete collapse of the twin towers "became inevitable" as expressed by NIST without any scientific analysis to substantiate it.
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Apart from the false claim "without any scientific analysis to substantiate it". Why, if he is a competent structural engineer, can he not see why collapse was inevitable????



(And my bit of personal dislike "scientific analysis". Grrr...it's engineering analysis ;) - he doesn't even recognise the profession he claims to be part of. :))
 
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AE911T said:
Obviously the design, detailing, fabrication and erection of WTC 7 took several years from start to finish. It is not obvious how NIST can claim that fires fueled by office furnishings could have compromised this steel structure in a matter of hours and destroyed it in a matter of seconds.
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What the...
The second sentence doesn't follow the first, I'm stunding that.
 
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