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Proposition 8 Struck Down!!!

Robert Prey said:
Lesbians, not being generally known for pregnancy and child bearing or breast feeding, make themselves much more at risk for other deadly diseases such as breast and ovarian cancers.
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Rather amazing how these diseases single out lesbians rather than childless straight women, amirite?

Nevermind that, the childless thing is a bit more myth than reality. Many gay and lesbian can and do have children, including several from my PFLAG group, from previously heterosexual relationships. I believe more children raised by gay couples are conceived in this way rather than adopted, fostered, or conceived through in-vitro means (sorry, not stats to back this up, anecdotal observation only). About 25% of gay couples nationally are raising children. They aren't as childless as you think.
 
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Dessi said:
Rather amazing how these diseases single out lesbians rather than childless straight women, amirite?

Nevermind that, the childless thing is a bit more myth than reality. Many gay and lesbian can and do have children, including several from my PFLAG group, from previously heterosexual relationships. I believe more children raised by gay couples are conceived in this way rather than adopted, fostered, or conceived through in-vitro means (sorry, not stats to back this up, anecdotal observation only). About 25% of gay couples nationally are raising children. They aren't as childless as you think.
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The cancer correlation isn't about "raising" children but producing or rather not producing them naturally and breast feeding them
 
Robert Prey said:
The cancer correlation isn't about "raising" children but producing or rather not producing them naturally and breast feeding them
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Lesbians have the lowest incidences of sex related disease. Heterosexual sex is risky. That says it all. Finding some message from health problems is silly.
 
RandFan said:
Lesbians have the lowest incidences of sex related disease. Heterosexual sex is risky. That says it all. Finding some message from health problems is silly.
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If there is a take away message perhaps it's that men should be taken out of the equation.
 
Robert Prey said:
The cancer correlation isn't about "raising" children but producing or rather not producing them naturally and breast feeding them
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I can think of several lesbian couples who have given birth to children. I don't specifically know if all of them breast feed. I didn't ask. I have observed at least one of them doing so.
 
All this talk of health and reproduction is interesting*, but health, longevity, and the ability to reproduce has never been a requirement for a couple to be able to marry before. Why is it relevant now? It's a double standard that folks like Robert are applying to gay couples that have never been applied to straight couples.

Robert, can we at least agree that having two different set of rules/laws for various groups is not fair and a destructive way to run a society?







* not really.
 
Dunstan said:
And in your guts, you know he's nuts.



I doubt Robert believes in the existence of "childless straight women."
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Disingenuous nonsense. Of course the cancer correlations apply to straight women as well. But Lesbians by their choice of life style become all the more at risk.
 
Upchurch said:
All this talk of health and reproduction is interesting*, but health, longevity, and the ability to reproduce has never been a requirement for a couple to be able to marry before. Why is it relevant now? It's a double standard that folks like Robert are applying to gay couples that have never been applied to straight couples.

Robert, can we at least agree that having two different set of rules/laws for various groups is not fair and a destructive way to run a society?

* not really.
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Rules, laws have no bearing on the consequences of trying to fool Mother Nature.
 
RandFan said:
Lesbians have the lowest incidences of sex related disease. Heterosexual sex is risky. That says it all. Finding some message from health problems is silly.
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Cancer is hardly considered a sex related disease as far STD;s are concerned. But nonetheless, Lesbians are at greater risk.
 
Robert Prey said:
Rules, laws have no bearing on the consequences of trying to fool Mother Nature.
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Lovely, but off topic, really. We're discussing whether or not the law should treat one group of people differently from another group.

Robert, do you believe there exists a group of US citizens who deserve to be treated differently in the eyes of the law than other US citizens?
 
Fishstick said:
So, are natural occurences of homosexuality in the animal kingdom also trying to fool 'Mother Nature' ?
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Don't bother asking, he'll only handwave it away with ignorant notions of "they're just doing trial and error", which just shows that he knows nothing about how homosexuality in nature actually occurs.
 
Has anyone told Robert Prey about how we fool the laws of gravity with airplanes and helicopters, yet?
Judging by how this issue gets his panties in a twist, perhaps it's best to break it to him slowly.
 
Robert Prey said:
Disingenuous nonsense. Of course the cancer correlations apply to straight women as well. But Lesbians by their choice of life style become all the more at risk.
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How in the world does being a lesbian make you more at risk?

Robert Prey said:
Rules, laws have no bearing on the consequences of trying to fool Mother Nature.
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Wait, do you believe in an anthropomorphic Mother Nature? Because that sort is a requirement if there is going to be any fooling going on.
 
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