Triumph of the Bigoted, Intolerant Left: Buchanan Fired

Tricky said:
Any employer can fire an employee who is damagang to their company, and it is quite clear that keeping a racist, anti-semitic demagogue on as a commentator was damaging to the MSNBC brand. I'm frankly perplexed as to why they hired him in the first place.
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Although there is a significant difference between a firing and an agreement not to renew a contract or whatever.

But still, even if we concede the point, and even if we concede the other point (that Buchanan is not racist) just for the sake of advancing the argument, as you say, so what?

Where is the evidence that this action was due to the bigotry and intolerance of the left and not simply an employer acting within its rights in its own self interest?

And I don't believe for a minute that Buchanan couldn't get a job somewhere else. There seems to be no shortage of positions that would give a pulpit to extremist political hacks. Indeed, for at least some of these companies, parting ways with MSNBC would be a credential. He was definitely not "blacklisted"!
 
Tricky said:
We all know the circumlocution that is used when a public person is fired, and we all know what they really mean. If it had been Buchanan quitting, he would have done so with a flourish. And it is obvious that Buchanan's recent book is the reason. Again, so what? MSNBC fired Keith Olberman too, but I don't hear the conservatives getting all up in arms about that, or about Alan Colmes being fired from Fox. Pure hypocrisy.
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Again... assumes facts not in evidence. The language that you refer to is absent here. What is a matter of record is Buchanan's flounce, followed by MSNBC's saying 'Don't let the door...'


'All the media says so', is all you've got, and even that took about 20 seconds to debunk.

People who have actually been fired for their beliefs, and actually been blacklisted don't deserve to have that trivialized by claims that Buchanan has suffered the same things, anymore than those who have actually suffered genocide deserve to be minimized by Buchanan's trying to stake out that ground.
 
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Buchanan was not fired for his beliefs. He was let go because he was, at best, worthless to the company.
 
Let's call things as they really are. Conservatives know of countless examples of minorities being hired at a company and not doing any productive work. They then get fired for their laziness. The last step, of course, is for the fired minority to scream "racism" to the press, to the public. and to the community activists. The conservatives know it was not racism but simply an economic decision by the company.

So that means Pat has two options:
(1) scream racism to everyone that will listen, file an EEOC complaint, and then bring a billion dollar lawsuit against MSNBC.

ETA: I almost forgot. Attach himself to the white equivalent to Jessie Jackson and talk about how there is a conspiracy to keep the elderly white man down. The Man is keeping the Man down.

(2) admit to himself that he is a shiftless, incompetent, and outdated worker who deserved to be fired.
 
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Ladewig said:
So that means Pat has two options:
(1) scream racism to everyone that will listen, file an EEOC complaint, and then bring a billion dollar lawsuit against MSNBC.

ETA: I almost forgot. Attach himself to the white equivalent to Jessie Jackson and talk about how there is a conspiracy to keep the elderly white man down. The Man is keeping the Man down.
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The schmuck is their Jesse Jackson on steroids.
 
All I am saying is that in essence, it is a firing, because MSNBC made the call, which is obvious from Buchanan's departing flounce. Maybe it is not absolutely specifically a "firing", but after having been through a few "downsizings", I can tell you that it feels the same. "We don't want you here anymore".
 
Tricky said:
All I am saying is that in essence, it is a firing, because MSNBC made the call, which is obvious from Buchanan's departing flounce.
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I understand your point, but I still disagree. It was MSNBC's call to deny letting him promote the book on the air. It was Buchanan's call to refuse to abide by his employer's decision.

The real essence is that the network didn't want to permit Buchanan to promote his book. You could as easily say this is an effective (and literal) resignation because Buchanan was the one essentially adding a new condition to his continued employment. (Basically the ultimatum, either allow him to promote the book, or he walks.)

Since you could spin it as "in essence" either a firing or a quitting, I think what it actually was-- absent the spin-- is important.
 
I'm with Tricky on this one. I have no problem referring to what happened to Buchanan as a "firing."

Because that's what happens when you say **** that's racist and offensive and embarrasses your employer. The poor kid at ESPN who wrote that dumbass headline about Jeremy Lin learned that the hard way.
 
"My days as a political analyst at MSNBC have come to an end.

After 10 enjoyable years, I am departing, after an incessant clamor from the left that to permit me continued access to the microphones of MSNBC would be an outrage against decency, and dangerous."

Sounds like Pat has a new book out. Oh, wait!

"The calls for my firing began almost immediately with the Oct. 18 publication of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?""

Sales must be down.
 
I think in RP's world, if a person isn't actually lynching people of color, then they ain't racist.
 
Anyone know what ever happened to his sister Bay? I found her even more bizarre than Pat.

The two of them always reminded me of Kevin Spacey and his on screen sister in some weird TV show, where she would inject heroin in his toes.

ETA: Ah yes, Google is our friend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PPeFrTxYEE
 
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thaiboxerken said:
I think in RP's world, if a person isn't actually lynching people of color, then they ain't racist.
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Probably not even then. I guess you missed my earlier joke:
Tricky said:
Are you kidding? If Buchanan said he was in favor of lynching negros, Robert would claim that Pat was just trying to "uplift them out of their current situation."
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JoeTheJuggler said:
Robert_Prey, why do you continue to ignore my posts?

I've pointed out that I'm willing for the sake of this argument to cede the issue of whether or not Buchanan is racist. (It's really not necessary to establish that he is to show that your claim is false.)

Even if Buchanan weren't racist, you have still offered no evidence that he was fired denied permission to promote his book because of bigotry and intolerance and not because the network reasonably believed that promoting his book would hurt them financially.

What is your evidence?

Arguing reasonable doubt to charges that Buchanan is racist does nothing to support your claim.
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"The calls for my firing began almost immediately with the Oct. 18 publication of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?"

That's all the evidence any reasonable person needs.
 
Robert Prey said:
"The calls for my firing began almost immediately with the Oct. 18 publication of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?"

That's all the evidence any reasonable person needs.
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Fixed that for you.

You can call for a lot of things, but it doesn´t happen until it happens.
 
Chaos said:
Fixed that for you.

You can call for a lot of things, but it doesn´t happen until it happens.
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^This

Another thing that hasn't happened is Pat's first amendment rights being violated in any way, shape, or form.
 
Robert Prey said:
"The calls for my firing began almost immediately with the Oct. 18 publication of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?"

That's all the evidence any reasonable person needs.
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Absolutely 100% correct.

All any reasonable person needs, is to look carefully at Buchanan's words, compare them to the reality, and decide for themselves.

Not that everyone will to do so.
 
Robert Prey said:
"The calls for my firing began almost immediately with the Oct. 18 publication of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?"

That's all the evidence any reasonable person needs.
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Evidence that Buchanan thinks there were calls for his firing.

But--alas--you have still yet to provide any evidence that he was fired.

And you haven't even tried to present evidence that anything was done (such as denying him permission to promote his book) as the result of leftist bigotry and intolerance (rather than, for example, free market commercial self-interest).
 
Robert Prey said:
"The calls for my firing began almost immediately with the Oct. 18 publication of "Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?"

That's all the evidence any reasonable person needs.
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Thank God that no right wing folks have ever called TV and radio stations asking for a liberal commentator to be fired. Because if stuff like that happened, it would make you look over-the-top hypocritical in calling the left bigoted and intolerant.
 
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