Triumph of the Bigoted, Intolerant Left: Buchanan Fired

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Done and done
why should Republicans be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended America since her birth as a nation?
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That's "racist"??? Building and defending America including saving it from a division of half slave half free by conquering the racist Democrat Slave masters in the South.
 
Robert Prey said:
That's "racist"???
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Hey, you gave the "Congressional Black Caucus" as an example of what you consider racist. I merely provided a quote of Buchanan saying pretty much the same thing


Robert Prey said:
Building and defending America including saving it from a division of half slave half free by conquering the racist Democrat Slave masters in the South.
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Okay, that's just nonsensical and a non-sequitur. What are you talking about?

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Robert Prey said:
That's "racist"??? Building and defending America including saving it from a division of half slave half free by conquering the racist Democrat Slave masters in the South.
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Here is a good explanation on how ignorant and racist Buchanan's statement about the people who "built" this country really is.
 
Robert Prey said:
That's "racist"??? Building and defending America including saving it from a division of half slave half free by conquering the racist Democrat Slave masters in the South.
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The issue is that he seems to think that only white people did those things.
 
MaGZ said:
Buchanan was comparing his situation with the Communist Jews in Hollywood who found it difficult to find work in the 1950s. That what he meant when he use the term blacklisting.
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If that is what he meant then he is a chucklehead. If he had said blackballed, then it might makes sense. Blackballing involves a small minority of people preventing a single individual from participating in a very specific event or participating in a very specific organization.

The is absolutely zero evidence that he has been blacklisted.
 
Robert Prey said:
That's "racist"??? Building and defending America including saving it from a division of half slave half free by conquering the racist Democrat Slave masters in the South.
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Robert_Prey, why do you continue to ignore my posts?

I've pointed out that I'm willing for the sake of this argument to cede the issue of whether or not Buchanan is racist. (It's really not necessary to establish that he is to show that your claim is false.)

Even if Buchanan weren't racist, you have still offered no evidence that he was fired denied permission to promote his book because of bigotry and intolerance and not because the network reasonably believed that promoting his book would hurt them financially.

What is your evidence?

Arguing reasonable doubt to charges that Buchanan is racist does nothing to support your claim.
 
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MaGZ said:
Buchanan was comparing his situation with the Communist Jews in Hollywood who found it difficult to find work in the 1950s. That what he meant when he use the term blacklisting.
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Exactly. It's preposterous for Buchanan to compare his quitting his job to being blacklisted! (Many of those people persecuted under McCarthyism in the '50s were in fact blacklisted. Buchanan quit a job. We all know there are no shortages of jobs in the same industry he could take right this minute.)
 
Robert Prey said:
I don't know what the devil you are talking about Juggler. Evidence that he was fired? That's what he said. He said he was fired. Deal with it.
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So you haven't even bothered to read what Buchanan said, but started this thread with false witness in the title anyway.
 
So...like...I'm trying to see if I can justify various things in this mindset, and I'm having trouble finding how Juan Williams fits into this picture.
 
Robert Prey said:
That's "racist"??? Building and defending America including saving it from a division of half slave half free by conquering the racist Democrat Slave masters in the South.
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Only white people built & defended America?
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Robert_Prey, why do you continue to ignore my posts?

I've pointed out that I'm willing for the sake of this argument to cede the issue of whether or not Buchanan is racist. (It's really not necessary to establish that he is to show that your claim is false.)

Even if Buchanan weren't racist, you have still offered no evidence that he was fired denied permission to promote his book because of bigotry and intolerance and not because the network reasonably believed that promoting his book would hurt them financially.

What is your evidence?

Arguing reasonable doubt to charges that Buchanan is racist does nothing to support your claim.
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He was fired. I take him at his word.
 
Robert Prey said:
He was fired. I take him at his word.
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Nope. From your link Pat says the following,

After 10 enjoyable years, I am departing, after an incessant clamor from the left that to permit me continued access to the microphones of MSNBC would be an outrage against decency, and dangerous.
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I am departing is not the same as being fired. Being fired is something you made up.
 
I'm going to take the near-unprecidented position here of supporting Robert in this. For all intents and purposes, Buchanan was fired. You can call it "failed to renew his contract" or "offered his resignation" or whatever you like, but the essence is this: MSNBC made the call. All the media are calling it "fired". Even the sarcastic quote above makes it clear that Buchanan is not happy about these events. So he was fired.

So what?

Any employer can fire an employee who is damagang to their company, and it is quite clear that keeping a racist, anti-semitic demagogue on as a commentator was damaging to the MSNBC brand. I'm frankly perplexed as to why they hired him in the first place.

Go ahead, Robert. Tell us that you would give your personal microphone to someone who shouted out things you strongly disagreed with, and in fact, pay him to do it. Tell us that and see how many people believe you. But if you don't tell us that, you are a hypocrite, plain and simple. I think more people will believe that.
 
Tricky said:
I'm going to take the near-unprecidented position here of supporting Robert in this. For all intents and purposes, Buchanan was fired. You can call it "failed to renew his contract" or "offered his resignation" or whatever you like, but the essence is this: MSNBC made the call. All the media are calling it "fired". Even the sarcastic quote above makes it clear that Buchanan is not happy about these events. So he was fired.

So what?

Any employer can fire an employee who is damagang to their company, and it is quite clear that keeping a racist, anti-semitic demagogue on as a commentator was damaging to the MSNBC brand. I'm frankly perplexed as to why they hired him in the first place.

Go ahead, Robert. Tell us that you would give your personal microphone to someone who shouted out things you strongly disagreed with, and in fact, pay him to do it. Tell us that and see how many people believe you. But if you don't tell us that, you are a hypocrite, plain and simple. I think more people will believe that.
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MSNBC called it a 'parting of the ways' after Buchanan said he was leaving. Nothing about any resignation being demanded or notice of non-renewal of contract being given.

Here is Buchanan's flounce:

After months of speculation, Pat Buchanan and MSNBC have severed their relationship.

Buchanan made the announcement himself in a blog post Thursday on The American Conservative titled "Blacklisted, But Not Beaten."

“After 10 enjoyable years, I am departing, after an incessant clamor from the left that to permit me continued access to the microphones of MSNBC would be an outrage against decency, and dangerous,” Buchanan wrote.

An MSNBC spokesperson added: “After ten years, we've decided to part ways with Pat Buchanan. We wish him well.”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pat-buchanan-msnbc-leaves-292073

And the reason it is significant is that it adds to the mountain of deliberate deception that has sustained his career, from pretending to be a heroic patriot (instead of a draft dodging frat boy), to his sophistry about race and history.
 
The OP would like us to think MSNBC cowered in the face of intolerant liberals and fired Pat. This narrative of Pat being the victim relies on the perceived injustice of MSNBC firing him at the unreasonable request of the intolerant liberals.

The fact is we do not know why Pat is no longer at MSNBC but we do know that not even Pat is calling it a firing. Pat has suggested, through the post the OP linked to, that the cause of the parting of ways was liberal intolerance but even this is likely a fiction.

Its just as likely IMO the Pat was asking for an unreasonable pay raise or other terms MSNBC couldn't or wouldn't meet. The parting of ways could be entirely Pat's greed and being the guy that he is is now trying to portray his greed as liberal intolerance. This reeks of scapegoating not firing.
 
We all know the circumlocution that is used when a public person is fired, and we all know what they really mean. If it had been Buchanan quitting, he would have done so with a flourish. And it is obvious that Buchanan's recent book is the reason. Again, so what? MSNBC fired Keith Olberman too, but I don't hear the conservatives getting all up in arms about that, or about Alan Colmes being fired from Fox. Pure hypocrisy.
 
So, Robert_Prey, why wasn't this thread titled "Triumph of the free market in an issue between Buchanan and his employer"? That would have been much more accurate.
 
When some dirtball starts calling interracial sex genocide, I consider it a threat to my life and well-being. Buchanan and his sort serve no useful social purpose that counters that threat.
 
Robert Prey said:
He was fired. I take him at his word.
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Where did he say that?

And again, that's only part of the claim that I'm challenging.

I see no evidence that he was fired, but even if he were fired and even if I concede your other false claim (that Buchanan isn't racist), you've still yet to substantiate your claim that it was due to bigotry and intolerance and not simply the result of free market forces at work.

Are you claiming an employer doesn't have the freedom to fire employees?

It's still your burden to supply evidence that Buchanan was fired, and evidence that it was due to bigotry and intolerance of the "left" and not due to free market forces (the network acting in what they perceive to be their own best interests).

So you can quit going off on tangents and address these points.

Also, why on Earth would you take Buchanan at his word? Do you believe that he was blacklisted, as he claims? That's a whopper, you know!
 
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