Is this Andrew Breitbart guy literally insane?

So to you it's a matter of which civil rights the political proponents intend to violate ; to "merely" be enslaved by state sponsored theft vs being killed ? Of course the major communist regimes were consolidated with mass murders far outstripping Nazi atrocities + wars together. You may rightly argue that this is not fundamental to communism, but it's so consistent a correlate that it must be considered a consequence of that system.

This is quite different from the isolated Pinochet case, where a murderous military junta leader oddly created free market and constitutional reforms. We can't excuse the regular pattern of mass murders in communist Russia, China, Cuba, Cambodia, Laos, Angola, N.Korea as an anomaly so handily.

You're perfectly entitled to that belief, and you may well be right to hold it. But there are plenty of people out there who don't share your belief in this matter, and therefore are capable of supporting communism without supporting mass murder.

To put it another way - it may well be true that communism in practice inevitably results in oppressive regimes, and is incompatible with democracy. But I personally know several people who believe otherwise, and are some of the nicest people you'd meet. They aren't secretly desiring a purge of their enemies, they aren't planning on supporting a new stalin, they merely have some fringe beliefs on economics.
 
The law already recognizes a distinction between commercial speech and political speech; for example the FDA or whomever can regulate commercial speech. However the SCOTUS has ruled that commercial contributions are political speech and protected. IMO it's not smart to completely silence corporate interests from influencing elections as they do have legitimate concerns that need to be heard. OTOH there seems too much power associated with commercial interests. I don't see a good solution.

Plenty of other western countries have limits on political campaign spending. The stipulation in the UK is that you cannot fund a political party over a set limit unless you have literally no ties to them, as I understand it. I'm not seeing a restriction of free speech resulting.
 
Plenty of other western countries have limits on political campaign spending. The stipulation in the UK is that you cannot fund a political party over a set limit unless you have literally no ties to them, as I understand it. I'm not seeing a restriction of free speech resulting.

Democrats want it, so they need to imagine some way in which it is evil.

I'm going to ask my lawyer his opinion on this bill when I talk with him later this week.
 
Because it's a deranged right-winger (yeah I know, aren't they all?) going absolutely bonkers.

It tickles my funny bone.

Don't make me pull the "Fox lies!" guy out of my pocket!
 
LOL! Ad hominem fallacy much?

So you'll have no problem if the GOP president orders certain stories pulled from the dailykos.com, MSNBC, Huffington Post, etc. that he deems inappropriate, hate speech, vulgar, or any other reason he may come up with?
There is no such provision in the measure.
 
There is no such provision in the measure.
It clearly states that there are no Constitutional rights for for-profit corporations. Freedom of the press and free speech are constitutional rights that we now have that protect those institutions that would be repealed by this amendment, therefore those organizations could in fact be censored. Maybe they need to work a little on the amendment so that only left wing press is protected and right wing opinions could be censored. Would that work for you?
 
Nothing overturns freedom of speech or the press. Journalism is the only industry specificly mentioned in the constitution. Content is not subject to regulation.

Business practices are another matter.
 
Except an amendment that specifically excludes for-profit entities from those constitutional protections. This proposed amendment does that.
Nothing can prevent Fox Boobs from reporting that Joe Biden put his foot in his mouth, even if it is not true.

The only thing the changes proposed would do is prevent the Koch roaches from buying full-page ads to show Obama eating puppies.
 
You're perfectly entitled to that belief, and you may well be right to hold it. But there are plenty of people out there who don't share your belief in this matter, and therefore are capable of supporting communism without supporting mass murder.

To put it another way - it may well be true that communism in practice inevitably results in oppressive regimes, and is incompatible with democracy. But I personally know several people who believe otherwise, and are some of the nicest people you'd meet. They aren't secretly desiring a purge of their enemies, they aren't planning on supporting a new stalin, they merely have some fringe beliefs on economics.

Anyone who doesn't share my "belief" that tens of millions were murdered in Russia and China, and proportional numbers in Cuba and Cambodia are simply unthinking denialists of reality - crazy bigots. I'm quite certain that Marx didn't intend or support mass murders - so what ? Are you arguing that good intentions make up for millions of murders and vast repression of human rights that commonly accompany communist takeovers ?

All of these systems in practice were not egalitarian; they were oligarchies or dictatorships with communist rhetoric. So maybe a pure communist state is fundamentally untenable, unstable. Perhaps they are all subverted by a Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez in the beginning - but that points to a different and serious flaw too. Are there any counter examples ? They are so repressive that they must re-educate or imprison or murder enough dissenters to create some systemic stability. Maybe these good-intention types simply fail to calculate that when you make the lot of half the population better by redistribution, that you necessarily make the lot of the other half worse. You cap the potential to do well at a very low level. The communist system prevents people from engaging in value-adding exchanges of the free market (tho' it's hard to entirely suppress), so it necessarily leads to inefficient use of resources and poor productivity. Is there even one case of a person risking death to escape a capitalist democracy to emigrate to a communist paradise ?


Plenty of other western countries have limits on political campaign spending. The stipulation in the UK is that you cannot fund a political party over a set limit unless you have literally no ties to them, as I understand it. I'm not seeing a restriction of free speech resulting.

Well for one thing - we aren't other countries. For example Canada has no compunction about prohibiting freedom of the press in reporting of trials. They have laws that allow prosecution for speech I would call politically incorrect, and modestly offensive at most. So I'm quite glad we have greater freedom in that respect.

Your description of UK campaign finance does not correspond with anything I read on the topic.
http://www.loc.gov/law/help/campaign-finance/uk.php
So there are spending limits per-candidate, but no contribution limits for a qualified contributor. A registered voter, or UK company or UK union can give as much as they want.
Broadcast time cannot be purchased by candiates - which seems like a ridiculous imposition on free speech and impractical for the US market. There are all sorts of limits on expenditures but 3rd parties (what we would call PACs) for/against a candidate - but I see no attempt to prevent any issues spending by companies or the wealthy.

No - I just don't see the advantage. The PM candidate can spend ~$25Mil, but the lawyer's or unions or big biz could spend lots more on an issues campaign and use broadcast media to do it. Seems much worse. The candidates are not free to even spend their personal money on themselves - and you think there is no imposition of free speech !??!
 
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He behaves so unhinged he seems to either either have mental problems or serious substance abuse issues:


He's been up to his eyeballs in crap of his own making so long that the odor has destroyed whatever mind he may have ever had.
 
Well for one thing - we aren't other countries. For example Canada has no compunction about prohibiting freedom of the press in reporting of trials.


You realize, don't you, that such publication bans are (a) approved by a judge after a hearing; (b) to protect the privacy and/or identity of victims and witnesses of crimes; and (c) to ensure the accused gets a fair trial and is not tried in the press. Reporters are still perfectly free to cover a trial and report on it, subject to any particular items that may still be under a publication ban. And in any case once the trial is over the ban is lifted and everything can be reported.

It's an older article, but it covers the basics: Publication bans: What the media can't say

In Canada such limitations on the press as it relates to trials is seen as a reasonable restriction of freedom.
 

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