Stray Cat
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I wonder if there's any means to take away the automatic forum title from some posters.
It's just that silver birch's seems completely at odds with any of his posts.
Derren Brown's screaming stooges
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It's just that silver birch's seems completely at odds with any of his posts.
Squeegee Beckenheim
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...and we're back to you being shocked and upset that a stage magician performs stage magic.
I did, and I have already explained to you why she need not be acting. But you seem to ignore it.
Matthew Best
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Has anybody actually asked her if she's acting?
Do you honestly think that she would confirm that she is bound by contract not to reveal if she was acting?
Matthew Best
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Who knows? One way to get further information would be to ask.
And if her reply is "I did not act", then the matter is solved, yes?
Azrael 5
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I would guess so.I've emailed her,I'll let the forum know if any reply is forthcoming.
beren
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Why is it crap?
Sledge
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John Albert, you certainly suffer fools a lot more gladly than I ever would. And you're to be commended for that, I guess.
You've already proven that the women in the magic doll routine was an actress. And that Derren Brown lied about it. And he is very much guilty there of the artistic repugnancy and laziness that he himself says that such a circumstance would be.
The magic doll case is open and shut. The larger question here, I think, is whether or not he is cheating the audience EVERY time he promotes a show with a "no actors or stooges" disclaimer, but then supposedly uses hypnosis to achieve the results.
Because regardless of whether or not the participants are professional actors, isn't the truly salient point whether or not they are, in fact, ACTING? Which is all that stage hypnotist subjects are doing. There is no such thing as a "hypnotic trance" that compels these people to do someone unconsciously, and against their will. They are simply going along for the ride, and role-playing.
You've already proven that the women in the magic doll routine was an actress. And that Derren Brown lied about it. And he is very much guilty there of the artistic repugnancy and laziness that he himself says that such a circumstance would be.
The magic doll case is open and shut. The larger question here, I think, is whether or not he is cheating the audience EVERY time he promotes a show with a "no actors or stooges" disclaimer, but then supposedly uses hypnosis to achieve the results.
Because regardless of whether or not the participants are professional actors, isn't the truly salient point whether or not they are, in fact, ACTING? Which is all that stage hypnotist subjects are doing. There is no such thing as a "hypnotic trance" that compels these people to do someone unconsciously, and against their will. They are simply going along for the ride, and role-playing.
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Because all of us "so called skeptics" who believe that a skilled illusionist (or stage magician, but we'll avoid that term because he's on TV not a stage) can create the illusion of some sort of mental control without the need to prepare a script and carefully coach his subjects are being taken in by an obvious charlatan who doesn't really have voodoo powers. It doesn't matter how often we acknowledge that Derren Brown is using trickery, the fact that we don't blindly accept silver birch's explanation means we're all still duped.
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Ooh, great. Maybe you can show us where he did this, as John seems reluctant to point it out.
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We know that Magda Rodriguez is an actress.
We haven't been shown that she was appearing on that show in her capacity as an actress. Except for silver birch's contention that professional actors and actresses are not allowed to have private lives, because they must be paid as an actor any time they appear anywhere. So why would you pay an actress if not to have her act? I think most of us can see a flaw in this argument.
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Okay, not read this for a while and I haven't caught up. Sorry.
Can someone just let me know if there's anything more than argument from incredulity in the last three or four pages to save me reading through reams of disbelief coupled with unsuported assertion?
Can someone just let me know if there's anything more than argument from incredulity in the last three or four pages to save me reading through reams of disbelief coupled with unsuported assertion?
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You all realise that if Magda replies to me and says "I wasnt acting"
John Albert will just say"Shes bound by contract.." "She cant say due to legal issues" or "She's lying"
I wouldn't believe you at all in the absence of some form of objective confirmation, because you've proven to be extremely dishonest and have blatantly lied numerous times throughout this and the other thread.
So would I. If she was employed by Derren Brown, she would be bound by a contract not to reveal her employment. You would merely place her in an impossible situation where she would be forced to lie in order not to be sued.You all realise that if Magda replies to me and says "I wasnt acting"
John Albert will just say"Shes bound by contract.." "She cant say due to legal issues" or "She's lying"
As you know, I do not believe that she was employed, but I would still regard her answer as meaningless, unless of course she reveals that she was indeed employed by Derren Brown.