Synthetic meat - a dilemma for vegetarians?

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Dutch scientists are "growing" meat from stem-calls.

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Obviously there's a very long way to go to make this commercially viable (if ever) but without the concern of the humanitarian aspects of raising/slaughtering animals and the fact that this meat never 'had eyes', feelings and what-not, I wonder if vegetarians would eat this stuff?
 
Dutch scientists are "growing" meat from stem-calls.

linky

Obviously there's a very long way to go to make this commercially viable (if ever) but without the concern of the humanitarian aspects of raising/slaughtering animals and the fact that this meat never 'had eyes', feelings and what-not, I wonder if vegetarians would eat this stuff?

I'm not a vegetarian but it don't see this as much of a dilemma. If you don't eat meat because you don't want to hurt animals, this seems like a good way around that problem.
 
Dutch scientists are "growing" meat from stem-calls.

linky

Obviously there's a very long way to go to make this commercially viable (if ever) but without the concern of the humanitarian aspects of raising/slaughtering animals and the fact that this meat never 'had eyes', feelings and what-not, I wonder if vegetarians would eat this stuff?
Perhaps for those vegetarians who eat specifically because they don't want animals hurt...but at least for me, the majority of vegetarians I know choose that diet because they feel it is healthier. So this wouldn't have any impact on their eating preferences.
 
I'm all in favor of in vitro meat for moral reasons, but there are a lot of practical benefits as well. Controlling methane emissions, eliminating pathogen outbreaks, etc.
 
Perhaps for those vegetarians who eat specifically because they don't want animals hurt...but at least for me, the majority of vegetarians I know choose that diet because they feel it is healthier.

It's usually a combination of both. I can't post links, but most surveys show this.
 
Obviously there's a very long way to go to make this commercially viable (if ever) but without the concern of the humanitarian aspects of raising/slaughtering animals and the fact that this meat never 'had eyes', feelings and what-not, I wonder if vegetarians would eat this stuff?

I'm sure a few would. A few interesting bits from the article:

At a major science meeting in Canada, Prof Mark Post said synthetic meat could reduce the environmental footprint of meat by up to 60%.
Last week, I attended a pizza party hosted by Vegan Omaha, got a chance to meet a few dozen or so vegans, including one well-known cookbook author. When you put a lot of vegans in one space, the only thing they can talk about is, errmmm, being vegan.

I met several people who jumped on the vegan train for environmental reasons. The most interesting person was a body builder who happened to be an environmental studies major, another person was a geologist, both felt a vegan diet is less demanding on the environment.

Its too soon to tell whether lab-grown meat will have an appeal to environmental vegans and vegetarians.

They are off-white and resemble strips of calamari in appearance. These strips will be mixed with blood and artificially grown fat to produce a hamburger by the autumn.
Animal rights activists will, of course, be concerned about the origin of blood used to mix with meat, as well as the origin of tissue used to grow the meat. Odds are, ethical vegans will not use a product which has to be mixed with animal blood to be consumable.

Presumably if donor tissue and blood is obtained from consenting humans, perhaps ethical vegans might find it less objectionable.

Dr Steele, who is also a molecular biologist, said he was also concerned that unhealthily high levels of antibiotics and antifungal chemicals would be needed to stop the synthetic meat from rotting.
Health and organic foodies will object to the use of antibiotics, antifungals, and other chemicals in the manufacture of lab-grown meat as well.
 
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Animal rights activists will, of course, be concerned about the origin of blood used to mix with meat, as well as the origin of tissue used to grow the meat. Odds are, ethical vegans will not use a product which has to be mixed with animal blood to be consumable.

I think that if a doctor can take blood from an animal for testing (when an animal is sick), then the same amount of blood can be taken from a healthy animal. Taken enough animals, not much blood has to be taken from any one animal.

Presumably if donor tissue and blood is obtained from consenting humans, perhaps ethical vegans might find it less objectionable.

Unless of course if they don't want to eat meat which has been grown on human resources, since it might be a bit much like cannibalism.

Health and organic foodies will object to the use of antibiotics, antifungals, and other chemicals in the manufacture of lab-grown meat as well.

Then again, anyone who is adamant enough in a certain position will always find objections.
 
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I'm vegetarian and I'm pro synthetic meat. I'm not likely to partake in much because it's been a very, very long time since I've had meat and one of my many reasons for going vegetarian was the generally negative health effects of a lot of meat in the diet, but I see no ethical dilemma in this since there's no animal to be harmed. Seems pretty simple, really.
 
Animal rights activists will, of course, be concerned about the origin of blood used to mix with meat, as well as the origin of tissue used to grow the meat. Odds are, ethical vegans will not use a product which has to be mixed with animal blood to be consumable.

Should have read the whole thread before commenting. This is indeed a dilemma, because I'd worry that the blood was being harvested in the slaughter process rather than from live animals.
 
I just had an image of a restaurant where you have to donate blood to get a meal :)
 
I don't have any problem with synthetic meat. I'm veg at home although I will eat fish or fowl if it's served to me. I don't eat beef, pork, lamb, or other since I have problems digesting it (always have - I'm also lactose intolerant). Sounds like a good solution to the waste stream, methane pollution & animal living conditions issues.
 
Should have read the whole thread before commenting. This is indeed a dilemma, because I'd worry that the blood was being harvested in the slaughter process rather than from live animals.

Good point, but I recall certain tribes (Masai?) harvest blood from live cattle to no great discomfort for the animal involved. I further recall they then mix it with milk for consumption, which doesn't really appeal to me very much ;)
 
I met several people who jumped on the vegan train for environmental reasons. The most interesting person was a body builder who happened to be an environmental studies major,

I don't get that one. They want to have less of an impact on the environment and yet they're a body builder? Don't body builders have to consume a huge amount of calories to compensate for intense workouts? If you wanted to lessen your impact on the environment then why not just not be a body builder? I don't know the math. Maybe it works out differently than my first impression would think.

About the topic in general, I'd eat synthetic meat if it were safe. Why not? And as far as health concerns about it still being meat even if it's synthetic, of course you wouldn't want to eat too much of it, just like with real meat, but in addition if they get to the point where they can create meat in a lab maybe they'll also get to a point where they can figure out why the meat is harmful to eat in large quantities and then engineer that part out of it.
 
It's not just a vegan issue.

It's also a religious issue. Is faux-pig meat considered non-kosher? It did not come from an actual pig...
 
Artifically-created but real human meat wouldn't be that special. Unless you can grow it from particular people. Celebrity steaks! You could have a chicken-fried Paula Deen steak cooked to her own recipe.
 
Good point, but I recall certain tribes (Masai?) harvest blood from live cattle to no great discomfort for the animal involved. I further recall they then mix it with milk for consumption, which doesn't really appeal to me very much ;)

You know, i have seen what you are talking about, but from every bit of video i have viewed, "No great discomfort" is pretty much the king of understatement. The cows seemed rather scared, and did some thrashing about, and whathave you as they were stuck with what is obviously going to be an under pointed spike, that is in no way shape or form made with the best materials for the job.

That being said, i really don't give too much of a **** about it, eating an animal is eating an animal. Nature is a contest and we are winning, but to make this sound like it isn't stabbing something with a dull giant needle, which is going to suck pretty bad, is a bit dishonest.

If it was done with the best materials, in the best conditions, the unpleasantness to the cow could be mitigated, but as is, it looks pretty lame to be the cow, imho.
 
Artifically-created but real human meat wouldn't be that special. Unless you can grow it from particular people. Celebrity steaks! You could have a chicken-fried Paula Deen steak cooked to her own recipe.

Actually the idea of selling celebrity meat would probably go over well. If the celebrities could donate whatever any biological material was needed without injury or discomfort they'd do it because there's money to be made. The people that loved the celebrity would want to eat them and the people that hated the celebrity would too. I see dollar signs, if, that is, it wouldn't be illegal because it was considered cannibalism.

Jeremy Lin burgers would be going for about $20 apiece right now.
 
Animal rights activists will, of course, be concerned about the origin of blood used to mix with meat, as well as the origin of tissue used to grow the meat.
Regarding the blood, I got the impression from the article that they were using it to make an early proof-of-concept burger. It wasn't clear if the researchers expect that to be part of the standard manufacturing process.

What is the blood for in the early trial burger? Appearance? Flavor? Maybe these qualities could be synthesized with artificial substitutes instead.
 
This sounds seriously disgusting to me. Off white color that has to be mixed with blood and fat to make a "burger?" High level of anti-biotics and anti-fungals? Wut?

Yeah sign me up for that. I eat meat like a madman but I wouldn't touch this artificial garbage. The question isn't whether vegans would eat it, the question is why *anyone* would want to eat that.
 

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