Triumph of the Bigoted, Intolerant Left: Buchanan Fired

Robert Prey said:
Intolerant -- referring to people opposed to free speech for those with whom they disagree.
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Whose free speech has been opposed? Only the government can interfere with a person's free speech rights and that has not happened here.

Having free speech does not prevent anyone from suffering the negative consequences of speaking. Having free speech does not prevent other people from utilizing their free speech to speak out against anyone. Free speech does not prevent one from losing their job due to what they have said.

Robert Prey said:
Bigoted -- referring to those who are offended by those who speak in favor of traditional moral values.
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Ah, you are using a form of the word "bigoted" that is previously unknown ...to anyone.
 
Robert Prey said:
Intolerant -- referring to people opposed to free speech for those with whom they disagree. Bigoted -- referring to those who are offended by those who speak in favor of traditional moral values.
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Yeah, "traditional" values like saying Hitler was cool, and that black Americans should praise God for slavery. Those kinds of values.

No thanks, I'll pick another system of values, one that doesn't glorify slavery or genocide.
 
Robert Prey said:
Intolerant -- referring to people opposed to free speech for those with whom they disagree. Bigoted -- referring to those who are offended by those who speak in favor of traditional moral values.
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Whose tradition?
Whose morals?
Whose values?
None of these terms are absolutes.
 
People used social pressure rather than actual censorship.

Having said that, I have a feeling the same groups would actively censor using government if they could.
 
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In the Orwellian world of CONservatives, it is bigoted to be against bigotry, intolerant to be against intolerance and racist to be against racism.
 
Robert Prey said:
Point of clarification: Buchanan? Racism? How so?
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Twelve Pretty Racist Or Just Crazy Quotes From Pat Buchanan’s New Book
The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear. Hispanics already comprise 42 percent of New Mexico’s population, 37 percent of California’s, 38 percent of Texas’s, and over half the population of Arizona under the age of twenty. ……. Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically, and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being overturned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution—to “insure domestic tranquility” and “make us a more perfect union”? Or has our passivity in the face of this invasion imperiled our union?
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Hispanic Americans are incapable of maintaining American values?


Half a century after Martin Luther King envisioned a day when his children would be judged ‘not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character,’ journalists of color are demanding the hiring and promotion of journalists based on the color of their skin. Jim Crow is back. Only the color of the beneficiaries and the color of the victims have been reversed.
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Buchanan is delusional if he thinks a little diversity in the workplace is anything approaching what life was like under Jim Crow laws.

Those who believe the rise to power of an Obama rainbow coalition of peoples of color means the whites who helped to engineer it will steer it are deluding themselves. The whites may discover what it is like to ride in the back of the bus.
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"If whites aren't in charge, they will be oppressed." :rolleyes:

Not until the 1960s did courts begin to use the Fourteenth Amendment to impose a concept of equality that the authors of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers, and the Gettysburg Address never believed in. Before the 1960s, equality meant every citizen enjoyed the same constitutional rights and the equal protection of existing laws. Nothing in the Constitution or federal law mandated social, racial, or gender equality.
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Of course before the 1960s, there was little-to-no social, racial, or gender equality.


Americans who seek stricter immigration control have been charged with many social sins: racism, xenophobia, nativism. Yet none has sought to expel any fellow American based on color or creed. We have only sought to preserve the country we grew up in. Do not people everywhere do that, without being reviled? What motivates people who insist that America’s doors be held open wide until the European majority has disappeared?
What is their grudge against the old America that eats at their heart?
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America is not America if it is not European?

What the above points to is a strategy from which Republicans will recoil, a strategy to increase the GOP share of the white Christian vote and increase the turnout of that vote by specific appeals to social, cultural, and moral issues, and for equal justice for the emerging white minority. If the GOP is not the party of New Haven firefighter Frank Ricci and Cambridge cop James Crowley, it has no future. And although Howard Dean disparages the Republicans as the “white party,” why should Republicans be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended America since her birth as a nation?
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'nuff said.

For the Left to concede that white anger is a legitimate response to racial injustices done to white people would be to concede that the Left is guilty of the very sin of which it accuses the right.
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Apparently, Buchanan's memory does not reach back prior to the 1970s.

Perhaps some of us misremember the past. But the racial, religious, cultural, social, political, and economic divides today seem greater than they seemed even in the segregation cities some of us grew up in.
Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.
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This is merely delusional. We were completely separated but we "shared a country and a culture"? We were one nation?

We were Americans, but some Americans were more American than others and that is what Buchanan is regretting the loss of.
 
Upchurch said:
This is merely delusional. We were completely separated but we "shared a country and a culture"? We were one nation?

We were Americans, but some Americans were more American than others and that is what Buchanan is regretting the loss of.
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Maybe like under apartheid the black Americans were separated for their own protection so that they could maintain their own culture :rolleyes:
 
Robert Prey said:
Intolerant -- referring to people opposed to free speech for those with whom they disagree. Bigoted -- referring to those who are offended by those who speak in favor of traditional moral values.
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What does this have to do with free speech? Pat Buchanan is still at liberty to express his opinions, as he should be. Free speech does not mean that MSNBC is obliged to provide him with a platform.
 
How exactly was Buchanan fired?

It seems more like he got huffy and quit when MSNBC wouldn't let him promote his divisive book under the guise of being a 'political commentator'.
 
Upchurch said:
The white population will begin to shrink and, should present birth rates persist, slowly disappear. Hispanics already comprise 42 percent of New Mexico’s population, 37 percent of California’s, 38 percent of Texas’s, and over half the population of Arizona under the age of twenty. ……. Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically, and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being overturned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution—to “insure domestic tranquility” and “make us a more perfect union”? Or has our passivity in the face of this invasion imperiled our union?
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Hispanic Americans are incapable of maintaining American values?
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Indeed. I have many American-grown Hispanic friends who have family in Mexico. They tell me that when they've gone to visit aunts, uncles and cousins that there is a clear culture gap.
 
Tony said:
Indeed. I have many American-grown Hispanic friends who have family in Mexico. They tell me that when they've gone to visit aunts, uncles and cousins that there is a clear culture gap.
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Hell, I have a clear culture gap with my aunt and uncle from Illinois.
 
Robert Prey said:
Bigoted -- referring to those who are offended by those who speak in favor of traditional moral values.
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The problem is, Robert, that the "moral" values you are in favor of are not traditional for everyone nor are they particularly moral. They would be more accurately described, perhaps, as evangelical moral values. (I would argue fanatical or extremist evangelical moral values, but I digress.)

For example, they are not even traditional for the GOP.
 
Robert Prey said:
Intolerant -- referring to people opposed to free speech for those with whom they disagree. Bigoted -- referring to those who are offended by those who speak in favor of traditional moral values.
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Free speech means I can't stop you from saying what you want to say. It does not mean I have to give you a bullhorn.
 
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