Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

[000063]

It seems that most of you have nothing better to do than post childish insults.

Which means, by definition, that some of us are posting actual relevant material. Which ones would they be? Does EdX count?

So what Chris? People reporting melted steel in fires is common. Here's just a small sampling. Was thermite used here as well?

But you think just twisted/bent metal is "molten", which can happen way below its melting temperature, so I don't know how you can claim molten = thermite anyway.

No insults. Just questions and evidence. Unless you don't actually think twisted/bent metal is "molten", or think that claiming you do is some sort of insult.

 

[NoahFence]

It seems that most of you have nothing better to do than post childish insults.

You people do nothing but lie and make a twisted hobby out of the deaths of thousands. Grow a thicker skin or get a new hobby.

 

[beachnut]

It seems that most of you have nothing better to do than post childish insults.

You debunk yourself. You claim damage done by fire, photos of bent steel, steel made weak by fire is melted.

911 truth insults themselves, supporting idiotic claims of thermite. Supporting lies with zero evidence. Present the evidence for melted steel. Quotes from people saying they saw melted steel, is not evidence of melted steel. Show the samples taken. Produce hard evidence.

People look up the boiling point of lead, post the number, ignoring lead based paint burning at temperatures of 800 to 1100 F can produce vaporized lead. 911 truth can't comprehend temperatures reached in flames, with room temperature at 1000C. I take a candle, burn and melt steel, and I take a candle and can't melt steel; this paradox will be lost on 911 truth.

911 truth is not rational, they may prefer to watch fiction, "Princess Bride" blu-ray, on the 110 inch 1080p screen, with quad amp center channel, quad amp L/R channel, AR-9 surround sound speakers L/R, and tower Infinity rear surround speakers L/R (not used on the DTS-HD Master Audio 3/2.1 48kHz). Fantasy beats reality, except on real events, 911.

I missed! There is a hole in my screen.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/DSC_4534osff.jpg
Guess another vaporized lead source?

I burned some steel, there are iron spheres in my backyard. I burn things with iron in them, and make iron spheres, at temperatures that can't melt steel, but the flames melts the small particles of paint, and other things with Fe in them; how does that happen? Same for the lead, things with Pb.

 

[leftysergeant]

Molten metal weeks after the event is a clear sign of thermite.

Defend that idiotic statement if you can. Thermite would be exhausted within minutes. That bloody simple.

 

[Justin39640]

Steel does not go from solid to liquid instantly. First it looses its shape. This is called slumping and that is what we see in the photo, not compression.

As a guy who's come across a lot of crushed steel in his professional life I have a sneaking suspicion you haven't had the same experiences.

I don't think that steel was anywhere near the fire floors. IMO.

 

[Edx]

It's a matter of semantics. If a steel beam is folding, it is flowing, however slowly, so "technically" it's molten. But molten is normally used to describe metal that is visibly flowing or dripping.

In that case "molten steel" doesnt require extreme temperatures at all, does it Chris?

 

[Edx]

That is the kind of hand wave NIST does, like not looking for explosive residues because they don't expect top find any. You cannot assume that it had nothing to do with the collapse until the investigation is finished. A real investigation looks at all the evidence and considers al the possibilities. Molten metal weeks after the event is a clear sign of thermite.

• Despite the fact that molten metal is expected in fires
  
• Despite the fact that molten steel is commonly reported in fires.

 

[Justin39640]

Because steel bends and twists like crazy LOOOONNNGG before it melts. But you already knew that.

Didn't you hear? Thermite now turns steel into Shrinky Dinks.

 

[Myriad]

You're all not going to believe this. I found a video of steel deforming and flowing under its own weight, almost like a liquid... at room temperature!



Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Christopher7]

That is the kind of hand wave NIST does, like not looking for explosive residues because they don't expect top find any.

Wrong. There was no evidence of explosives, and bomb-sniffing dogs had already been over the scene.

Circular reasoning. How can you say there was no evidence of explosives if you don't look for it? One owner had bomb sniffing dogs. His dogs were trained to detect barium but not thermite without barium. The dogs were looking for people not explosives. There is no guarantee that there were no explosives of any kind and plenty of eyewitness testimony that there were explosives, your denial notwithstanding.

You cannot assume that it had nothing to do with the collapse until the investigation is finished. A real investigation looks at all the evidence and considers al the possibilities. Molten metal weeks after the event is a clear sign of thermite.

So there is no possibility it is not?

Dumb question. You seem to think you must have proof before looking for evidence. This is more circular reasoning. There was a strong possibility that there was thermite so checking for it is called for.

Except that we're not. We think that the presence of molten steel is unprovable,

More circular reasoning. You think it is unprovable therefore you refuse to properly investigate to see if it's true.

and thus irrelevant until that changes. What with it being physically impossible to distinguish molten steel from any other metal or lots of other molten things by eye, even if one is a trained metallurgist. Doesn't matter if they were there or not.

Irrelevant? It would take an investigation to determine if what they saw was molten steel but we shouldn't test to see if it's steel because we are not sure. The "Meteorite" and other artifacts like Sample #1 from WTC 7 could be tested to confirm the existence of molten steel.

We also think that the presence of iron microspheres does not necessarily indicate the presence of thermite.

You THINK it's not necessarily from thermite therefore you rule it out.

All this is just circular denial. Like NIST, your creativity only works in one direction - thinking up reasons to deny the evidence and why we should not investigate any of it.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Molten metal weeks after the event is a clear sign of thermite.

This is just what I've been saying for years. These JREF punks keep asking about thermite and how you know when it was used to blow up a building. Whatever happened at 9/11, that's what thermite does! And that's how you know. If that's not enough for ya', you better go back to school.

 

[Christopher7]

Defend that idiotic statement if you can. Thermite would be exhausted within minutes. That bloody simple.

Do you think smoldering fires could melt steel/iron and keep it keep liquid for months?

You deny the existence of thermite residue in the dust so you don't have to consider that as a possibility. When you pile denial upon denial it's all very easy.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Do you think smoldering fires could melt steel/iron and keep it keep liquid for months?

If only Lefty would understand that this is EXACTLY what you'd expect from a thermite demolition. For God's sake, the man is a professional firefighter. I understand he even teaches classes in fire science. Why doesn't he know this? Do you think he does and just won't say anything? What could be behind his refusal to come clean?

 

[Christopher7]

You people do nothing but lie and make a twisted hobby out of the deaths of thousands. Grow a thicker skin or get a new hobby.

You are talking to yourself and words cannot fully express my revulsion for you and your ilk.

The truth will eventually be known and when that happens may God reward you according to your deeds.

 

[Scott Sommers]

You are talking to yourself and words cannot fully express my revulsion for you and your ilk.

The truth will eventually be known and when that happens may God reward you according to your deeds.

I agree with you completely. One day there will be death camps set up for all those who questioned you. Judy Wood will be the CO and you can be in charge of the gas chambers. It will be a brilliant day and all the voices of Heaven will sing, "Thank you being so brave and standing against the danger. Our children owe their lives and freedom to you."

 

[tfk]

It's a matter of semantics. If a steel beam is folding, it is flowing, however slowly, so "technically" it's molten. But molten is normally used to describe metal that is visibly flowing or dripping.

You haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about.

I suggest that you go look up the definition of the words "yield", "plastic deformation" & "creep" in an engineering dictionary.

Every one of those definitions can appropriately apply to "a steel beam folding, however slowly". In none of those cases is the metal flowing or melting.

Only the truther dictionary says:

yield: see melting
plastic deformation: see melting
creep: see melting
___

In each one of the following pictures, there are objects that have been formed by humans into specific, geometric shapes and then a portion of those objects have melted.

Let's see if you are astute enough to be able to distinguish the difference between "pre-melted" and "post-melted".

Let's see if you are sufficiently literate to put into words the specific geometric criteria that identifies the "not melted zone", the "melted zone" & the "transition zone" in each picture.

I'm fairly sure that any competent 7 year old child could do this easily.

And one last, famous one:

Now, let's see if you can find some steel columns that match your own distinguishing criteria.

Let's see if you're as astute as a 7 year old.

This should be good...

 

[beachnut]

Do you think smoldering fires could melt steel/iron and keep it keep liquid for months?

You deny the existence of thermite residue in the dust so you don't have to consider that as a possibility. When you pile denial upon denial it's all very easy.

As proved by the Jones' fantasy claim paper; There is more evidence of termite residue in earth's crust than WTC dust.

Iron was not melted for months. That is a fantasy.

Thermite would be cold, finished the first day. Unless you produce the chemistry, and math to support your claim, it remains nonsense.

 

[Christopher7]

tfk,
There you go. Bury your team denials with a looong worthless post arguing semantics.

 

[beachnut]

You are talking to yourself and words cannot fully express my revulsion for you and your ilk.

The truth will eventually be known and when that happens may God reward you according to your deeds.

Invoke God, you lost, you can pray, but you can't set God to punish others, that is not very Christian or Islamic of you. You will be punished for failing to present the math, and God has a special place for the lies you made up at the expense of those murdered by 19 terrorists. I am not invoking God, she figured out 911 as it happened, like Flt 93 Passengers did. Murders you blame on your fantasy bad guys, and we are, Ilk? Why can't you do the math to show how long your unknown amount of thermite can stay hot. Has God let you down, why can't you do the math? Pray more.
You made the claim, you better get God to help you with the math to show us the light. Save us. Jesus does not lie, why do you? got math?? God does


Save yourself first, show the math, the chemistry to support thermite burning for months. Are these biblical months, or seconds you have stretched to months? 7 days? Or What?

Save us

 

[LSSBB]

tfk,
There you go. Bury your team denials with a looong worthless post arguing semantics.

Ha, semantics. You like to toss some meaningful words around? Then back up your statement that thermite residue will keep steel/iron liquid for weeks.