Oystein
Penultimate Amazing
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No, I didn't.
Don't be so complicated. There certainly were massive airflows ventilating fires locally. We don't need to slit the hair of whether or not these reached velocities that satisfy any official definition of "hurricane".
What I did say is that their simplistic explanation of strong winds being the eventual factor that made structural steel surfaces shed major amounts of their surfaces is rather silly.
The point is, RJ Lee have not investigated this, they are not interested in this, and they just fired off a quick just-so story to Ron. The bottom line is not that RJ Lee thinks they know exactly how iron spheres or lead condensations occurred. The bottom line is that in their educated professional opinion, no temperatures above those reached in fierce building fires are needed. When RJ Lee talk about "extreme temperatures", they are NOT thinking about temperatures that building fires can't reach.
And that refutes the point that ergo an C7 are trying to make - that RJ Lee's statements are meant to imply temps that are impossible in a building fire.
RJ Lee is probably wrong on the specifics. That is my opinion.
What neither RJ Lee nor truthers nor most others here have so far considered is the many other chemical reactions that are guaranteed to happen when large office buildings burn out of control.
For example, take lead. RJ Lee seems to imply the simplistic idea that lead condensed out of lead vapor which in turn is the result of elemental lead being vaporized. This is almost certainly nonsense. The extreme melting point of lead and its very low vapor pressure speak against that.
However, lead is contained in PVC and other compounds. When these burn, you will have a hodgepodge of lead compounds that will vaporize much more readily than bulk elemental lead. All sorts of chemical reactions can now take place with these lead compounds in the hot air, including reductions and oxidations. Eventually, these lead comounds will condense on the surfaces o particles, and that's where RJ Lee found the lead.
For example, take iron. Iron will be attacked by all sorts of things in the hot aggressive gasses that result from office fires. Tons of PVC will release HCl, HCl will quickly attack steel and corrode it, producing several iron compounds such as chlorides. FeCl3 has a boiling point of only 319°C. There is no limit to the number of compounds that may be formed in the heat. More iron is found in combustible organic materials such as paper or paints. Again, the organics will mostly turn to gas, the iron compounds get concentrated and enriched in tiny particles. There is the phenomenon of melting point depression of tiny particles. In short: In an office fire, many paths are available for iron to find itself enriched in particles that will end up as spheres.
Do I have evidence that these processes are sufficient to explain whatever truthers want to have explained? Hell no. But as sure as hell, none of that is outlandish. In fact, condensed lead vapors and iron spheres are total expected by RJ Lee. Not because they know exactly what happened with everything in the WTC fires.
I am pretty sure they expect lead vapors and iron speres simply because, in their professional experience with forensic investigation of materials, they have encountered lead and spheres again and again. They were not surprised.
