When will the AE911 petition finally reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

When will the AE911 petition reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

  • 20 years

    Votes: 3 1.4%

  • 50 years

    Votes: 2 0.9%

  • Never

    Votes: 80 36.4%

  • Who cares?….it's retarded anyway.....

    Votes: 135 61.4%
  • Total voters
    220
cjnewson88 said:
mmm just saw this.. http://shop.ae911truth.org/Cards-and-Brochures_c5.htm

Quick guys, if you're a "serious Activist" you MUST buy Gage's Special Activist Pack for a healthy saving of $230.00!!!!

On another note, I rofl'd that Gage is selling his letter he wrote to NIST's Shyam Sunder. $5 if you want to read it :crowded:
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OMG - Gage must be getting pretty desperate for cash..... :jaw-dropp

I just had to look to see what you get for 230 USD....LOL.

This Gage person is utterly pathetic......
 
Alright, my "official" stats, since 29 jan was the deadline for their current money scheme before they moved it again:

Oystein said:
Update January 17th 2012:

jan 04: 1647
jan 17: 1656
9 new signatures in 13 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1647 A&E once every 6.5 years
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jan 17: 1656
jan 29: 1660
4 new signatures in 12 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1647 A&E once every 13.6 years

Oystein said:
jan 04: 14,179
jan 17: 14,236
57 new signatures in 13 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,105 OS once every 8.9 years
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jan 17: 14,236
jan 29: 14,288
52 new signatures in 12 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,236 OS once every 9.0 years

Oystein said:
jan 04: US$ 3,625.11 (44 donations)
jan 17: US$ 7,305.11 (57 donations)
now extended to jan 19th (2 days to go).

That's 3,680 in 13 days. or 283 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 22 days (feb 8th).
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jan 17: US$ 7,305.11 (57 donations)
jan 04: US$ 9,317.11 (81 donations)
now extended to feb 14th (16 days to go).

That's 2,012 in 13 days. or 168 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 25 days (feb 23rd).
 
minnemouse said:
OMG - Gage must be getting pretty desperate for cash..... :jaw-dropp

I just had to look to see what you get for 230 USD....LOL.

This Gage person is utterly pathetic......
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I love how you can get "freebies", but only if you spend $40 or more. Truth is expensive!
 
minnemouse said:
OMG - Gage must be getting pretty desperate for cash..... :jaw-dropp

I just had to look to see what you get for 230 USD....LOL.

This Gage person is utterly pathetic......
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That's nothing. When they started out they used to beg for monthly contributions. The most disgusting one (and part of what leads me to believe that Gage is just a carnie and a rip off artist) was the "$911.00 Patriot level donation" or something like that.

Disgusting.
 
Update

Update, as the current drive for donation was scheduled to end today
Oystein said:
jan 17: 1656
jan 29: 1660
4 new signatures in 12 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1647 A&E once every 13.6 years
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A&E signatures:
jan 29: 1660
feb 14: 1664
4 new signatures in 16 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1660 A&E once every 18.2 years
Oystein said:
jan 17: 14,236
jan 29: 14,288
52 new signatures in 12 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,236 OS once every 9.0 years
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Other Supporters:
jan 29: 14,288
feb 14: 14,374
86 new signatures in 16 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,288 OS once every 7.3 years

Oystein said:
jan 17: US$ 7,305.11 (57 donations)
jan 29: US$ 9,317.11 (81 donations)
now extended to feb 14th (16 days to go).

That's 2,012 in 13 days. or 168 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 25 days (feb 23rd).
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jan 29: US$ 9,317.11 (81 donations)
feb 14: US$ 10,084.61 (95 donations)
Fund raiser has ENDED today, having reached only 74% of the target US$ 13,500
At the most recent pace, 48$/day, they'd need to go another 71 days, till april 25.

The patient is slowly dying ;)
 
That's nothing. When they started out they used to beg for monthly contributions. The most disgusting one (and part of what leads me to believe that Gage is just a carnie and a rip off artist) was the "$911.00 Patriot level donation" or something like that.
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They would save people a lot of money by switching to the day/month system.
 
LSSBB said:
Feel free to disprove Oystein's assertion, MM. You can begin with Sen. Gravel and the Massachusets initiative. Or Dylan Avery.
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Mike Gravel (and most of the other "officers") have left the "Citizens 9/11 Commission" taking the website with them. The new "officers" say the are trying to get it back as soon as possible. Last time I checked (before the site went down) they were almost out of money.

http://9-11cc.org/
 
Here is why the patient is dying:


1. Fund raising.

On 12/13/2011, carlitos first notice a campaign on the top left of AE911T's home page with the goal to raise 13,500 dollars by dec 18th (5 days later). If that campaign had started 5 days earlier, then they had expected to raise 1,350 dollars per day.

They had to extend the deadline to jan 12th, then jan 19th, then jan 29th, then feb 14th.

On february 14th (yesterday), the campaign ended, 26% short of theor target. They had daily raised only 10% of what they expected.

Conclusion: AE911T has lost its ability to raise funds for their cause.


2. "Membership" developlment

If the A&E who signed the "petition" were serious and spread the word among their peers, then there should be exponential growth - that means, every day, months, year the number of new signatures per day should increase.
For example: On 01/17/2010, the "petition" reached 1000 signatures. If every other signer managed to talk one peer into signing up (groth rate: 50%), then at that time, there should have been 1.11 new signatures per day; a year later, with 1500 spreading the news, there would have been 1.66 new/day, and today there would be 2.5 new sig/day.

What really happened is this:
Time interval|sig/day|growth rate
01/17/10-10/09/10|1,26|48,61%
10/09/10-05/17/11|0,76|21,65%
05/17/11-10/25/11|0,79|20,25%
10/25/11-02/15/12|0,33|7,54%

Exponential growth rate has been declining steadily - i.e. there really is no exponential growth. The A&E are not convincing any peers at all with the nonsense they fell for.

Even linear growth rate has been declining. The third line includes the time around the 10th anniversary of 9/11, that gave them added interested and a surge of signatures for a few weeks; take that away, and Gage is recruiting less and less new A&E every months.

Need a graph?
AE911Tgrowthcharttill20120215.jpg

One year ago, they had twice as many signatures per day as today.
Two years ago, even four times as many new signatures as today.

Conclusion: AE911T is steadily losing its ability to convince professionals


Diagnosis: The patient AE911T is slowly dying
 
Oystein said:
On 12/13/2011, carlitos first notice a campaign on the top left of AE911T's home page with the goal to raise 13,500 dollars by dec 18th (5 days later). If that campaign had started 5 days earlier, then they had expected to raise 1,350 dollars per day.
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If memory serves that "campaign" actually started in/around the first of October.
 
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Oystein said:
Don't think so. I am talking about this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7842534&postcount=169
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Just 6 contributions for 346 bucks on dec 13 - looks more like it had started only days earlier.
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That's the one. This counter was frozen for quite some time. I commented on it in a post awhile back when your figures (presumably a German version of the site) didn't match what I was seeing. It remained at $346 until sometime around the end of Dec.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7856342#post7856342

I was following his scheduled "shows" after 9/11 (he had none) and I'm fairly sure this counter stayed frozen at $346 for a long time (possibly no fault of AE).
 
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It would be interesting if any one already has the knowledge or would like to do the research to compare AE911T's growth and near lack there off as of late to pyramid schemes. I imagine they suffer from a similar problems:

- Despite the '6 degrees of Kevin Bacon' theory 'sign-up a few friends who will sign-up a few friends' etc. etc. has finite limits.

- Another related limiting factor is the number of people who are suckers for woo whether it be Gage's scam or a 'sure thing' investment scheme.
 
Oystein said:
Here is why the patient is dying:


1. Fund raising.

On 12/13/2011, carlitos first notice a campaign on the top left of AE911T's home page with the goal to raise 13,500 dollars by dec 18th (5 days later). If that campaign had started 5 days earlier, then they had expected to raise 1,350 dollars per day.

They had to extend the deadline to jan 12th, then jan 19th, then jan 29th, then feb 14th.

On february 14th (yesterday), the campaign ended, 26% short of theor target. They had daily raised only 10% of what they expected.

Conclusion: AE911T has lost its ability to raise funds for their cause.


2. "Membership" developlment

If the A&E who signed the "petition" were serious and spread the word among their peers, then there should be exponential growth - that means, every day, months, year the number of new signatures per day should increase.
For example: On 01/17/2010, the "petition" reached 1000 signatures. If every other signer managed to talk one peer into signing up (groth rate: 50%), then at that time, there should have been 1.11 new signatures per day; a year later, with 1500 spreading the news, there would have been 1.66 new/day, and today there would be 2.5 new sig/day.

What really happened is this:
Time interval|sig/day|growth rate
01/17/10-10/09/10|1,26|48,61%
10/09/10-05/17/11|0,76|21,65%
05/17/11-10/25/11|0,79|20,25%
10/25/11-02/15/12|0,33|7,54%

Exponential growth rate has been declining steadily - i.e. there really is no exponential growth. The A&E are not convincing any peers at all with the nonsense they fell for.

Even linear growth rate has been declining. The third line includes the time around the 10th anniversary of 9/11, that gave them added interested and a surge of signatures for a few weeks; take that away, and Gage is recruiting less and less new A&E every months.

Need a graph?
[qimg]http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i328/MikeAlfaromeo/AE911T/AE911Tgrowthcharttill20120215.jpg[/qimg]
One year ago, they had twice as many signatures per day as today.
Two years ago, even four times as many new signatures as today.

Conclusion: AE911T is steadily losing its ability to convince professionals


Diagnosis: The patient AE911T is slowly dying
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One thing this points to is the lack of organic growth among the target audience. So what you say? Everyone knows that 9/11 Truth is for the mental rejects of our world. But it means more than that. It also means the existing members are not involved in internal discussion inside the profession.

This is a significant point, and I would like to hear what Gage has to say about it. Why is it that his 1500+ licensed landscape architects and mechanical engineers are not involved in or able to convince their peers? Why is it that only Gage with his ppts, speaking in church basements and coffee shops, is able to turn the minds of free?
 
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