Why so much hatred for feminism?

[Morrigan]

No dearie it doesn't. It's a message board. If someone posts an illogical post I'm going to point it out. It doesn't mean that I judge them as a person.

I know nuance is difficult for you but I think you can figure out the difference if you try.

Holy irony, Batman. Could you sound more condescending? lol.

How about cancer ? Breast cancer receive more funding than prostate cancer, lung cancer, colon cancer, and so forth.

It also receives more funding than endometrial cancer, uterine sarcoma, ovarian cancer, cervical cancer, tubal cancer, vaginal cancer, vulvar cancer... so what the hell is your point?

 

[vwgub]

And for a little bit more as an informal pol do you (as in the general population you) think that white male privilege exists?

 

[Travis]

It's good that we can just get all the misogyny in one thread. That way it's easier to keep out of the rest of the forum.

 

[vwgub]

To reply to KingMerv's OP this is exactly the same thing that happened to me in the last few months

 

[vwgub]

How about cancer ? Breast cancer receive more funding than prostate cancer, lung cancer, colon cancer, and so forth.

That isn't a gender thing that is a marketing thing. The Susan G. Komen cure for the cancer has manged to suck a **** load of money into buy pink **** because people are idiots when it comes to charitable issues.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And for a little bit more as an informal pol do you (as in the general population you) think that white male privilege exists?

Yes.

 

[vwgub]

Yes.

So do I. So Yes.

 

[bookitty]

And for a little bit more as an informal pol do you (as in the general population you) think that white male privilege exists?

Yes.

 

[crimresearch]

I am seriously not involved in this aspect of the debate. I've always gone on the assumption that the standards are lower for a woman. I am sure I've even said it, here. I followed your link expecting to see that confirmed. I admit that I have difficulty with legal wording so I can't say with certainty that it's not there. All I can say is I didn't see it either.

The point is that the standards are adjusted on a rational basis, not simply lowered just because of gender.

The BFOQ lawsuits came about when women were put through physical tests for law enforcement and emergency work, like having to bench press twice their body weight.

After the courts questioned how often in the course of their duties a police officer or firefighter would lay on their back and press that much weight several times, the screening process became more neutral, not more biased in favor of women.

At the end of the day, I doubt if anyone complains too much about *who* pulls them out of a burning building.

 

[crimresearch]

This is true. The firefighters (or any public servant) are equal in capacity but outside expectation of capacity will vary. If there is a fire on the second floor and a parent is holding a child, that parent may be more likely to hand the child over to a male or female firefighter depending on the parent's life experience. Having both male and female allows for greater range of interaction.

And how exactly would they know?

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

The other issue with feminism is the way it denigrates women. It is not just about removing restrictive laws or changing social attitudes. Apparently women are not good enough to compete in a level playing field (especially if they are raising children at the same time) so we need pro-discrimination laws, unfair dismissal laws, quotas etc. I don't see why women don't see how paternalistic this attitude is.

This is the core of feminism - denigrating women while projecting their own paternalism and denigration upon men with deceptive rhetoric. Simple naked greed is at work too. For women who do choose to enter the workforce, it is nice to have discriminatory laws in their favor.

Our OP has obviously been to Feminist Manipulation University (FMU). This is nothing to aspire to because manipulative people are viewed as having personality disorders and the titles of books about them are like "Nasty People", "Emotional Vampires", "Snakes in Suits", etc. - these are antisocial disorders.

So if you are wondering why self-proclaimed feminists don't seem to be very nice people - it's because they practice at it.

 

[Naive1000]

And for a little bit more as an informal pol do you (as in the general population you) think that white male privilege exists?

Yes.

Ouch, I just lost some respect for you there.

Privilege, no, it's opression olymics at it's best.

Unsheltered Homeless - 96% in 2009
Life Expectancy - 5-10 years less for men than women.
Suicide - 4 times the number of men die than women. In 2008 men were 81% of all suicides.
Homicide - 80% men.
Deaths on the Job - 93% men (2010).
Injuries on the Job - 64% men (2007).
College Enrollment - 58% women (2009).
Unemployment Rates (2010) - Women 8.6% : Men 10.5%.
Affirmative Action Education Programs - Women, yes : Men, no.
Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010) - Women 36.1: Men 40.2.
Incarceration Rates (2009) - Women 7% : Men 93%.
US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010 - 99.9% Men : 0.01% Women.
Federally Funded Battered Shelters - Women 2000 : Men 0.
Forced Selective Service - Men, yes : Women, no.
Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010) - Men 12.2% : Women 5.8%.

It's good that we can just get all the misogyny in one thread. That way it's easier to keep out of the rest of the forum.

Oh, and don't forget the misandry. Thick right here.

 

[crimresearch]

This is the core of feminism - denigrating women while projecting their own paternalism and denigration upon men with deceptive rhetoric. Simple naked greed is at work too. For women who do choose to enter the workforce, it is nice to have discriminatory laws in their favor.

Our OP has obviously been to Feminist Manipulation University (FMU). This is nothing to aspire to because manipulative people are viewed as having personality disorders and the titles of books about them are like "Nasty People", "Emotional Vampires", "Snakes in Suits", etc. - these are antisocial disorders.

So if you are wondering why self-proclaimed feminists don't seem to be very nice people - it's because they practice at it.

Oh, do feel free to explain how feminist actions like redoing the research on heart disease to find out that women are at risk as well as men *denigrates* women...

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Ouch, I just lost some respect for you there.

Privilege, no, it's opression olymics at it's best.

Unsheltered Homeless - 96% in 2009
Life Expectancy - 5-10 years less for men than women.
Suicide - 4 times the number of men die than women. In 2008 men were 81% of all suicides.
Homicide - 80% men.
Deaths on the Job - 93% men (2010).
Injuries on the Job - 64% men (2007).
College Enrollment - 58% women (2009).
Unemployment Rates (2010) - Women 8.6% : Men 10.5%.
Affirmative Action Education Programs - Women, yes : Men, no.
Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010) - Women 36.1: Men 40.2.
Incarceration Rates (2009) - Women 7% : Men 93%.
US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010 - 99.9% Men : 0.01% Women.
Federally Funded Battered Shelters - Women 2000 : Men 0.
Forced Selective Service - Men, yes : Women, no.
Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010) - Men 12.2% : Women 5.8%.

...And you're posting this to imply...what?

 

[bookitty]

Ouch, I just lost some respect for you there.

Privilege, no, it's opression olymics at it's best.

Unsheltered Homeless - 96% in 2009
Life Expectancy - 5-10 years less for men than women.
Suicide - 4 times the number of men die than women. In 2008 men were 81% of all suicides.
Homicide - 80% men.
Deaths on the Job - 93% men (2010).
Injuries on the Job - 64% men (2007).
College Enrollment - 58% women (2009).
Unemployment Rates (2010) - Women 8.6% : Men 10.5%.
Affirmative Action Education Programs - Women, yes : Men, no.
Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010) - Women 36.1: Men 40.2.
Incarceration Rates (2009) - Women 7% : Men 93%.
US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010 - 99.9% Men : 0.01% Women.
Federally Funded Battered Shelters - Women 2000 : Men 0.
Forced Selective Service - Men, yes : Women, no.
Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010) - Men 12.2% : Women 5.8%.


Oh, and don't forget the misandry. Thick right here.

rape (US) -men 3% : women 14.8% (please note for men this includes attempted or completed rape, for women only completed.)
median income of FTYR workers (US 2009) - Men $47,127 : Women $36,278
victims of intimate partner violence - Women 85%, Men 15%
In 2010, more than 4 million more women than men lived in poverty.
Single parents in poverty - 34.2% with a female householder : 17.3% of families with a male householder
Pieces of legislature introduced which restrict access to birth control, family planning or abortion (2010) - men: 0 - women over 1000.


We can do this all day.

 

[bookitty]

And how exactly would they know?

Oh, good point!

 

[Naive1000]

...And you're posting this to imply...what?

It's to point out that men have issues too, and that the idea that men are a privileged class is just a canard so one set of issues take priority.

I don't deny women have issues. I've done my stint working and supporting slut walks and rape awareness. I've raised money for breast cancer and done the charities raising money for women's problems. But, bring up men's issues and suddenly your a misogynist and hate women.

Well, guess what that's why I no longer support feminists like that, and why I'm tired of all the attacks you get for bring up legitimate problems.

 

[Naive1000]

We can do this all day.

Exactly my point!!! Privilege is just oppression olympics. Why not look at each issue and try to fix them than claiming privilege which 90% of the time just means shut up I don't want to hear your side.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Single parents in poverty - 34.2% with a female householder : 17.3% of families with a male householder

snipped most of that

im a single dad from uk and i consider myself one of the lucky ones to beable to keep custody of my kid. while the law changed after my kid was born even tho my name was on the birth certificate i was living in house since birth i didn't even have parental rights over my kid and took me many months to get it too. thru all that time she could have phoned police and had kid removed from me and the house my kid grew up in with zero recourse from me

there maybe dead beat dads out there but theres a hell of a lot of other dads who really dont get a say where the child goes when the relationship ends

 

[bookitty]

Exactly my point!!! Privilege is just oppression olympics. Why not look at each issue and try to fix them than claiming privilege which 90% of the time just means shut up I don't want to hear your side.

We've discussed privilege before. It is a very strange human construct (advantages that are granted to some groups over other groups that are given by society not earned by the individual) and discussion of it can be fraught with hyperbole or exaggeration by both sides. That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

The choice between discussing privilege or doing something about it, is a false dilemma. One can easily do both and they sometimes go hand-in-hand.

ETA: I don't know how familiar you are with the inaccurately-named Men's Rights Movement. (Not to be confused with the groups like Father's Rights Movement which is actually working towards gender equality from a male standpoint.)

The MRM is primarily a bunch over extremely misogynistic people who advocate for things like legal rape and spousal abuse. They dress it up with the occasionally rational but in general, the whole movement is hateful and frankly, pretty scary.

I don't think you're like that at all but you do occasionally bring up the same stuff that is prevalent on their websites and forums.