'House' episode offends asexuals

In the immortal words of Cate_Perfect, who departed AVEN long ago, "you'll have to take it up with Daniel Webster, he seems to think words can have more than one meaning."

Yes, they have numbered lists of them in dictionaries. Your preferred meaning doesn't seem to be on the list.

Asexual has many meanings, from reproduction (number of sexes) to genital configuration to sexual orientation. Every sexual orientation out there ends in --sexual, so why do you feel those who lack a sexual orientation, the exact meaning of the Latin a- prefix, must use another term?

Because the term "asexual" is already in use to mean something else. Homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual and so on don't cause any confusion.

Can special pleading be used to argue against something as well as for? If it can, then you are using special pleading to deny that asexuals (defined as lacking sexual attraction) can use the terms ALREADY IN COMMON USE for sexual orientations.

It's not a very good idea to try to make use of argumentative terminology you don't fully understand. Special pleading has a very specific meaning and that isn't it.

You appear to be appealing to authority, and 'common sense/usage' is a crappy authority to appeal to.

Same with the appeal to authority.
 
Using it in that manner is counterintuitive to the majority of the population,

Wait a second - when I predicted the opposite you were all like "can you prove that?" Why do you get to counterclaim with impunity?

It's also just plain linguistically wrong because you are describing a lack of an orientation not an orientation,

Wait, what? The prefix "a-" is properly used to indicate a lack of something. Like "atheist" describes a lack of religious belief. Linguistically wrong? Just the opposite; the word was chosen because where the root -sexual is used to describe a person's orientation, using a- to denote a lack of such only makes sense.
 
For an illustration, choose one:

Male
Female
Both
None of the above

We are constrained by biology to select from this list, and depending on your sex, choosing one of the first two will yield homosexual and heterosexual, selecting the third labels you bisexual, why on earth should selecting the last option not follow the progression?

In comparison, try this list:

[list of deities far too long to write out]
None of the above

Choose one of the snipped ones, and you're monotheist, select more than one and you're pantheist, select the last option and you're atheist. Not some weird word like 'areligionist' that only you have ever thought of. My search for a-orient came up with nothing even related to humans.

Nice of you to dismiss my criticisms without even explaining why. How have you NOT made an appeal to common sense in saying that everyone knows what asexual means and it doesn't mean what you're sure it doesn't mean?

I would argue that masturbation can't be sexual if it's just yourself, or anything involving your genitals (like urination or just washing them) would also be sexual. The act of sex requires partners, that's why one of the definitions of 'sex' is 'coitus', Latin for 'coming together, uniting' which can only be done by more than one person being involved.
 
Regarding nearly all of the above, but especially the argument over terminology, does anyone really care?

This is artless bickering for the sake of bickering.

People will continue to call themselves and each other what they wish, regardless of what anyone here thinks.

If we are going to argue, let it be occasionally witty and entertaining.
 
I thought we were in to the part where people repeated "asexual is used to describe a person's sexual attraction to other people" over and over again hoping that if they said it enough it would become true?

Language is not static, and that is indeed how word definitions change over time (through repetition of the new usage). Eventually, it will become "true" and you'll be doddering around the old folks home complaining about how kids these days don't know what "asexual" really means.

I imagine you're also still upset about homosexuals misusing "gay".
 
The problem i find, if there is one is as follows.

Asexual folk want to be called asexual, and they are using this in regards to their sexual orientation. Now, if there wasn't a perfectly useful word already in existence, then taking another word that does not mean what you think it means and using it in an "off label" manner, would be fine. There is no word to describe it so you have to make due.

Problem is there is already a word out there, celibate. There is no reason to not
use a word that already has a meaning, and certainly no reason to cause a fuss if someone doesn't want to call you said word.

It makes no more sense to call someone who does not want to have sex asexual, than it is to call someone who likes to chase string, eat fish, and sleep 18 hours a day feline. Being similar to something does not make you that thing, no matter how much you want it to.

For purposes of social getting along, sure i'll call someone an asexual, doesn't take any additional effort on my part. But if we are debating the use of the word, it is simply silly to say someone is asexual. Human beings are not asexual, plain and simple.

There is no real problem, simply that it is silly. I would have the same reaction if vegetarians wanted to call themselves herbivores. No they are not herbivores, they are omnivores that for any number of reasons don't eat meat.

Lets take it away from the realm of humans for a moment to outline why it induces an eye roll in some forum members. ( As an aside, this anecdote is based largely off of a real life incident involving an employee at my old job.)

I bring knives into work, not a job that needs knives, just an average office job. I clean them, sharpen them, etc. Now when i get told i cannot bring weaponry into work i then tell the boss, "But they arn't knives, they are collectables. ".

And there you see the problem, while i think of them as collectables they are knives, and prone to any knife related issues. Sure i can request you refer to them as collectables, but that doesn't change the fact that they are knives, and doesn't make the person calling them such some kind of ******* if they chose not to want to call them by a less descriptive name.

Where does it end? Does one get to say they are a plant because they really like the sun? Does one get to claim to be their favorite animal if they display enough traits of it? And for that matter who gets to decide when someone can claim a falsehood, and not be called on it? Is there some kind of scale?

I actually knew a gent that wanted to be referred to as a squirrel, seriously. He would get just as offended if someone refereed to him as a person as an asexual would if referred to as celibate. But how many people here would make the case that if we just ignore the definition of squirrel , he would fit within it?
 
House is callous and controversial.

He's made racist jabs, mocked religion, and pretty much put down everyone on earth who isn't House.

This is like whining that South Park made fun of them. They make fun of everything.

If he exclusively mocked asexuals, complain. Otherwise it's a minor thing to complain about.
 
Problem is there is already a word out there, celibate. There is no reason to not
use a word that already has a meaning, and certainly no reason to cause a fuss if someone doesn't want to call you said word.

But celibacy refers to vowing not to get married, (or in recent usage means sexual abstinence). That's not referring to orientation.
An asexual might have sex or even get married, trying to "go through the motions," or "be normal," like many homosexuals afraid to admit their orientation to their family or themselves.

So, celibacy can't be the word, how do you describe a married asexual? Or an asexual who's had sex, but found it unpleasant and boring?
 
Language is not static, and that is indeed how word definitions change over time (through repetition of the new usage). Eventually, it will become "true" and you'll be doddering around the old folks home complaining about how kids these days don't know what "asexual" really means.

Yeah, and we'll all be calling skeptics "brights" too. :rolleyes:

I imagine you're also still upset about homosexuals misusing "gay".

You're the second one to try that insult. It's not original, clever or accurate.
 
Why isn't it accurate? Using "gay" to mean "homosexual" is perfectly analogous.

This is silly. "Asexual" referring to a lack of orientation is already fairly established in the lexicon. Unless it can be shown that this is causing mass panic, offense, or confusion its a moot point. Nobody's going to stop using it over the semantic non-issues raised here.
 
Problem is there is already a word out there, celibate. There is no reason to not
use a word that already has a meaning, and certainly no reason to cause a fuss if someone doesn't want to call you said word.

Celibacy has nothing to do with one's orientation. One can be both celibate and also heterosexual, for instance.
 
Why isn't it accurate? Using "gay" to mean "homosexual" is perfectly analogous.

Perfectly analogous except that it isn't in use for a closely related but meaningfully different term, sure.

This is silly. "Asexual" referring to a lack of orientation is already fairly established in the lexicon.

You keep repeating it. Are you trying to convince us or yourself?

Unless it can be shown that this is causing mass panic, offense, or confusion its a moot point. Nobody's going to stop using it over the semantic non-issues raised here.

Multiple people in this thread have agreed that the statement "I know this asexual person who constantly masturbates" causes confusion. Do you think we are all lying just to annoy you?
 
Multiple people in this thread have agreed that the statement "I know this asexual person who constantly masturbates" causes confusion. Do you think we are all lying just to annoy you?

This is really a remarkable strawman. Why are you so focused on this supposed constant masturbation?
 
You keep repeating it. Are you trying to convince us or yourself?

The conversation is about the word; which makes using the word somewhat unavoidable. You're really reaching now, Kevin.

Multiple people in this thread have agreed that the statement "I know this asexual person who constantly masturbates" causes confusion. Do you think we are all lying just to annoy you?

No; multiple (two) people have reported that they disagree with defining the word in the way the majority of us are using it. "Dissent" is not "confusion".
 
This is really a remarkable strawman. Why are you so focused on this supposed constant masturbation?

It is interesting how a line on Wikipedia about how "some may masturbate" has become "they masturbate constantly" and the basis for attacking use of the word for the group in general.
 
Still tedious and unamusing.

I'd hoped for more...

House would have used his cane by now, and you'd be bleeding from the tongue-lashing.
 
Not if House was asexual...


Don't be ridiculous.

Every House fan has the House-sexual-interlude episodes etched into their memories (and there have been a few, blasphemer!).

The dude likes to party, albeit in his inimitable, sarcastic, and curmudgeonly way.
 

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