Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

000063 said:
Actually I did. There is no single or even a several pieces of evidence that you consider the strongest. Just a mass of stuff.
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Denial. The first point is: The fire that supposedly started the collapse had burned out over an hour earlier, but you should start another thread if you want to debate the numerous frauds in the NIST report that I listed.
 
Why is smoke so dangerous to people in fires then if smoke just gets carried away?

If I set fire to my waste paper basket in the front room and open all the windows why will there be soot from the smoke all over the ceiling? This is obviously impossible because as C7 says smoke from fires just goes away carrying everything with it.

Why is there such a term as "smoke damage" with thousands of photos on the net showing exactly that? Surely smoke just flies out the window and doesn't get left on surfaces exposed to fire.

Perhaps, just perhaps some of the smoke containing iron microspheres was deposited as soot on the inside of the building.

It's so obvious to anyone who has a working brain it's actually painful to have to spell it out letter by letter.
 
Christopher7 said:
Denial. The first point is: The fire that supposedly started the collapse had burned out over an hour earlier, but you should start another thread if you want to debate the numerous frauds in the NIST report that I listed.
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I didn't say "first", I said "best". Leaving aside the implied logic that for a fire to cause a collapse it has still to be burning when the collapse starts, do you consider this your strongest point? NIST's "biggest error in fact or calculation"?

Christopher7 said:
Good point.
Try dropping a concrete slab or tons of debris on a fire and see what happens.
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And what happens when you drop the same on thermite charges and wiring?
 
Christopher7 said:
The presence of batteries on the floors where the molten steel/iron came from is NOT common knowledge. In fact, there is no source for that.
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See here for a good uncovering of one major battery site that explains one of the observations. Knowing the massive financial business needs for UPS, there were undoubtedly many more, in addition to more common small scale UPS systems
 
C7 said:
Try dropping a concrete slab or tons of debris on a fire and see what happens.
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DGM said:
I would think it would help trap the micro-spheres and disperse them along with the dust. Isn't that what you claim happened with yours?
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The last of the smoke was pushed outside the building at the beginning of the collapse along with the air the fire needed to burn. The fires were snuffed out. The only iron microspheres would be the ones adhering to things they came in contact with.
 
LSSBB said:
See here for a good uncovering of one major battery site that explains one of the observations. Knowing the massive financial business needs for UPS, there were undoubtedly many more, in addition to more common small scale UPS systems
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By "no source", he means, NIST does not count (even though they reference their source).
 
Christopher7 said:
The last of the smoke was pushed outside the building at the beginning of the collapse along with the air the fire needed to burn. The fires were snuffed out. The only iron microspheres would be the ones adhering to things they came in contact with.
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Yeah, go with that. :rolleyes:

You never acknowledged that the fires didn't need to be hot enough to melt iron, why is that?
 
LSSBB said:
See here for a good uncovering of one major battery site that explains one of the observations. Knowing the massive financial business needs for UPS, there were undoubtedly many more, in addition to more common small scale UPS systems
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"My conjecture was based on several facts."

I have to leave for a while. I'll have more to say about this tonight.
 
Weird. I thought Chris would leap to explain what his strongest evidence of NIST's errors was.
 
Sunstealer said:
Why is smoke so dangerous to people in fires then if smoke just gets carried away?

If I set fire to my waste paper basket in the front room and open all the windows why will there be soot from the smoke all over the ceiling? This is obviously impossible because as C7 says smoke from fires just goes away carrying everything with it.

Why is there such a term as "smoke damage" with thousands of photos on the net showing exactly that? Surely smoke just flies out the window and doesn't get left on surfaces exposed to fire.

Perhaps, just perhaps some of the smoke containing iron microspheres was deposited as soot on the inside of the building.

It's so obvious to anyone who has a working brain it's actually painful to have to spell it out letter by letter.
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Agreed, I had a small electrical fire in one room of my house, and the insurance company wrote off three rooms full of stuff, there was soot on everything.
 
Christopher7 said:
The vast majority. As Lefty pointed out, some would adhere to things they came in contact with.
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LOL

Nothing around the site for them to come in contact with?

No buildings with giant, gaping holes in the side where a giant piece of steel gutted them?


Do you see any fires after the beginning of the collapse?
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You really wrote that?

Like, seriously???
 
Christopher7 said:
The last of the smoke was pushed outside the building at the beginning of the collapse along with the air the fire needed to burn. The fires were snuffed out. The only iron microspheres would be the ones adhering to things they came in contact with.
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So I guess the firefighters were just watering the plants for 99 days afterward?
 
Christopher7 said:
The last of the smoke was pushed outside the building at the beginning of the collapse along with the air the fire needed to burn. The fires were snuffed out. The only iron microspheres would be the ones adhering to things they came in contact with.
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No.
 
So let me get this straight, C7 -- you're claiming that any iron-rich microspheres produced by the fire would have been carried away with the smoke, but iron-rich microspheres produced by therm*te were trapped in the collapse and so were found in the dust, but the aluminum oxide particles that would also have been produced at the same time in the same places by the same therm*te were (according to Gage, whose claims you usually support) carried away with the smoke thus explaining why they were not found in the dust. Is that correct?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Myriad said:
So let me get this straight, C7 -- you're claiming that any iron-rich microspheres produced by the fire would have been carried away with the smoke, but iron-rich microspheres produced by therm*te were trapped in the collapse and so were found in the dust, but the aluminum oxide particles that would also have been produced at the same time in the same places by the same therm*te were (according to Gage, whose claims you usually support) carried away with the smoke thus explaining why they were not found in the dust. Is that correct?

Respectfully,
Myriad
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Well...I mean. It sounds stupid when you say it, probably sounded right in his head.
 
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