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High energy explosvies and tertiary blast waves

I guess the requisite amount of time has passed after Liberty got schooled in this thread, allowing him to come back.

Liberty - all we need to to is go back a page and we can relive all your mistakes.
 
The police that told Jennings to run, mention reports of more explosions, what explosions was he talking about?, this was after both towers had collapsed, and he was worried about explosions and wanted him to run from thebuilding, obviously, the only logical

Settle down, grab a cup of coffee and read this slowly:

How do you know about Jennings and what he went through, and saw?

Because he told his story on camera.

Which means he was alive.

I'm assuming we are in agreement up to this point.

Now, if the explosions he was hearing were actually explosives going off, why did the building not collapse for several hours after the fact?

HOURS.

Not seconds.

HOURS.

We can accept the fact that there were explosions around, and perhaps IN WTC 7.

What we know for a fact is that the explosions Jennings heard were NOT related to any controlled demolition. The building stood - for HOURS after these explosions.

HOURS.

That does not happen in ANY controlled demolition. Period.
 
You're backtracking on your own claim. The victim we were discussing claims to have a wall blown into them, which knocked them down and causing injury not consistent with explosions. Then you post this:

Which is a completely different mechanism of injury. Tertiary blast injuries are those caused by a people being hurled by a blast wave into things...NOT things hurling into people.

Do you expect people not to read my posts or what?. What could you win by doing this?. Or if you have no agenda of defending your woo-woo buddys, why do you read so bad and answer posts on a subject you know nothing about?.

I this thread, i debunked close to ten JREF members, who jumped me for "not understanding the blast effect of explosvies". I was told by several JREF members, that i am a lier, and that i have no knowledge of explosvies, for pointing out the simple fact that you can escape a detonation without any primary injuries, even if you are picked up in the air by the explosion, i was told that this is not true, that when you are picked up in the air by the explosion you will ALSO have primary injuries. I contacted experts who agress with me and that debunked all these false claims from your buddys, and now you still defend their lies?. This has nothing to do with the witness that you are talking about, i have mentioned multiple witnesses that were picked up in the air by explosions, the witness you speak of, heard a big explosion that threw here on the other side, and walls close to her open up.

So you mean that debris destroyed the lobby? how is that even possible?, thats just crasy talk and you know it. The plane impact in the towers did no damage to the lobby besides the jet fuel explosion. The police were worried about explosions for a reason, he got reports of explosions from WTC 7 after the two towers collapsed, and these explosions destroyed the lobby, nothing else.
 
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Do you expect people not to read my posts or what?. What could you win by doing this?. Or if you have no agenda of defending your woo-woo buddys, why do you read so bad and answer posts on a subject you know nothing about?.
So much for being new to the forum.

I this thread, i debunked close to ten JREF members, who jumped me for "not understanding the blast effect of explosvies". I was told by several JREF members, that i am a lier, and that i have no knowledge of explosvies, for pointing out the simple fact that you can escape a detonation without any primary injuries, even if you are picked up in the air by the explosion, i was told that this is not true, that when you are picked up in the air by the explosion you will ALSO have primary injuries.
Tertiary industries arise from being hit by the explosion. Being hit by the explosion causes primary injuries.

I contacted experts who agress with me and that debunked all these false claims from your buddys, and now you still defend their lies?.
So you complain about being called a liar, and then call people liars.

This has nothing to do with the witness that you are talking about, i have mentioned multiple witnesses that were picked up in the air by explosions, the witness you speak of, heard a big exolosion that threw here on the other side, and walls close to her open up.
And?

So you mean that debris destroyed the lobby? how is that even possible?,
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thats just crasy talk and you know it.
You are presuming much about the knowledge of your opponent.

The plane impact in the towers did no damage to the lobby besides the jet fuel explosion.
Then that impact and the fire made the building collapse. Most lobbies can't withstand a building falling on them.

The police were worried about explosions for a reason, he got reports of explosions from WTC 7 after the two towers collapsed, and these explosions destroyed the lobby, nothing else.
And what purpose would these explosions serve for the conspiracy? How are they necessarily from explosives?

It's so cute how your spelling and grammar gets worse and worse as you don't find people capitulating.
 
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for pointing out the simple fact that you can escape a detonation without any primary injuries, even if you are picked up in the air by the explosion,

Want a cookie? Or a crying towel?

NOW -

Why not ask your SEACRAB buddies if this person can survive an explosion that can ALSO hurl massive pieces of steel hundreds of feet?


Don't answer. I know why.

Because you know the answer doesn't suit you.
 
I dont care that much about anybodys opinion, not many people have studied 911, and most experts like this are simple human beings like everyone else that has bad judgment and lack any real critical thinking, we live in a very damaged society controlled mostly by oligarchs. 911 is a big subject and i only respect the opinion of somebody who have truly researched it. I did ask a couple of questions regarding some basement explosions on 911, nothing else. Why do you think someones opinion matters that much?. You can find out the only right answer by yourself, then if 20 explosvies experts dont agree with you, then you know how they are all wrong. Wouldn't it be nice being able to use logical thinking and not haft to rely on "experts"?. On 911, we see blast effects, that CAN be explained by very high explosives loads, and that most likely in my opinion are explained with high energy explosvies. This is a fact, we dont need to ask any experts.

But I thought SECRAB are "experts in the blast effects of explosvies and energetic materials" ?

It seems very strange that someone who believes the towers were brought down by explosives would contact the experts at SECRAB and not even ask them a simple question.
 
and these explosions destroyed the lobby, nothing else.

At this point I can't even tell if the lobby in question is WTCs 1/2 or 7.

However, it's irrelevant. Since the building didn't collapse at that moment, we know FOR A FACT that no explosives were involved.

WE = Sane people.
 
Do you expect people not to read my posts or what?. What could you win by doing this?. Or if you have no agenda of defending your woo-woo buddys, why do you read so bad and answer posts on a subject you know nothing about?.

Sabretooth is a firefighter in the state of New York if I remember correctly, I'd take his opinion over yours all day, every day.
 
NoahFence wrote: What we know for a fact is that the explosions Jennings heard were NOT related to any controlled demolition. The building stood - for HOURS after these explosions.HOURS.That does not happen in ANY controlled demolition. Period. Why not ask your SEACRAB buddies if this person can survive an explosion that can ALSO hurl massive pieces of steel hundreds of feet?

You are on ignore after this.

Buddies? you even called them my "truther friends" before... Go back and read the quote and stop being an dishonest forum troll that only wants to pick a fight. I asked him about demolition charges, and he responded with "Very high explosvie loads". Since when do very high explosvie loads and demolition charges not destroy steel columns, walls, etc...

Who said that this terrorist attack was a regular demolition?. Obviously they wanted some casualties, and thats why alot of people never escaped, they died from the bombs and the fires. When you are very close to very high explosive loads, inside a building, you will probably not survive, either beacuse of the explosion or beacuse that you get trapped. The only ones that would survive are the ones that had some distance between themselves and the explosvies, and they would not be expected to have any primary injuries, but some of these survivors from the explosions, had alot of injuries and had to undergo multiple operations on their bodies, that could be injuries from a tertiary blast effect. A building will not collapse because of some demolition charges going off, you can detonate some strategic charges, to prevent people from escaping, and to pre-weaken the building, and test that everything is working, before the total demo of the building. Hard to figure this out by yourself?.... The people that the CIA hired for the job, probably took great pleasure in detonating the charges, they really like to murder people if you didnt know... Just ask the nazi Klaus barbie (if you meet him in hell) what kind of operations he did for the CIA in the 80s, they have no remorse for children and women....
 
Translation: You've proved me wrong too many times, I mustn't cave to logic.

Exactly.

I ask obvious questions that they know for a fact they can't answer without accepting that they're wrong.

Explosions anywhere won't be from controlled demo if the building doesn't fall IMMEDIATELY.
 
Who said that this terrorist attack was a regular demolition?.


YOU DID.

you can detonate some strategic charges, to prevent people from escaping,

Or you could PLOW A GIANT *********** AIRPLANE INTO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

Dear GOD do you people have to TRY to be this retarded?!?!?!?


Someone please quote that just in case Liberty decided to be honest for a change and actually did put me on ignore.
 
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YOU DID.



Or you could PLOW A GIANT *********** AIRPLANE INTO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

Dear GOD do you people have to TRY to be this retarded?!?!?!?


Someone please quote that just in case Liberty decided to be honest for a change and actually did put me on ignore.

Done
 
Here's some more sources for Liberty to ignore:


Compared with an explosion in an open space, an explosion in a confined space results in a higher incidence of primary blast injury a greater mortality and a greater injury severity (measured as the Injury Severity Score, ISS).
In a study of 297 victims of 4 terrorist bombings in Israel (Leibovici et al 1996) 204 casualties from open air bombings were compared with 93 casualties from bus bombings.
The following differences were noted:

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http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/Emerge...erforationOfEarDrumsFollowingExposureToBlast/

Trauma caused by explosions traditionally has been divided into the injury caused by the direct effect of the blast wave (primary injuries); the effects caused by other objects that are accelerated by the explosive wave, (secondary injuries); the effects caused by movement of the victim (tertiary injuries); and miscellaneous effects caused by the explosion or explosives.


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Tertiary blast injuries

Tertiary blast injuries are caused when the victim’s body is propelled into another object by the blast winds. Tertiary effects result from the bulk flow of gas away from the explosion. Blast winds can generate a body acceleration of over 15g’s. They most often occur when the victim is quite close to the explosion.
This displacement of the victim can take place relatively far from the point of detonation if the victim is unfortunately positioned in the path where gases must take to vent from a structure, such as a doorway, window, or hatch.

...

Important historical questions

Can you hear me? Do you have ear pain? Tympanic membrane rupture and temporary hearing loss is common in blast injury, but should not be life threatening. (Unless the casualty cannot hear life-saving commands or communications!)



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Distance obviously decreases the risk of primary blast injury (at least in the open). Sharing a confined space with an explosion, including the inside of a vehicle, increases the magnitude of the blast wave to the victim.
www.storysmith.net/page7/page15/files/page15_5.doc


EAR Tympanic membrane (™) rupture, indicates high pressure (40Kpa,6psi) primary shock wave damage which correlates with more serious organ damage. At a hyperbaric pressure (100Kpa, 15psi, 2ATA) the TM will always rupture. Deafness with tinnitis is due to dislocation of the ossicles, TM rupture & sensineural hearing loss (Shilling 1,4 Edmonds 3 Lavonas 7).
http://www.scuba-doc.com/uwblast.html

The explosion of roadside bombs, for example, is so powerful, it can rupture the eardrum and break bones inside the ear.....But in Afghanistan roadside bombs, ferocious close-combat clashes with the Taleban and 500lb bombs dropped by coalition aircraft have burst eardrums, caused tinnitus and, in some cases, resulted in total deafness
http://www.hearinglossweb.com/Medical/Causes/nihl/mil/mil.htm
 
YOU DID.



Or you could PLOW A GIANT *********** AIRPLANE INTO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

Dear GOD do you people have to TRY to be this retarded?!?!?!?


Someone please quote that just in case Liberty decided to be honest for a change and actually did put me on ignore.

Judging by the way he is completely avoiding answering questions, I assume nearly everyone on the JREF is on his ignore list.
 
Small explosions in order to keep people in the building.

How much more stupid can these trolls get? I mean - there HAS to be something they won't invent, right?
 
I dont even take any pleasure in debunking all these clueless JREF members, i think i might give them health problems in doing so...

All this and modesty too...

I got the term "tertiary blast wave" from reading a bunch of medical journals, as i will show below, so the term was stuck in my head.

This is why quote-mining is dangerous. Assuming you did in fact "learn" that, rather than scouring the entire universe to find some quote that seemed to vindicate your poor word choice, all you've done is replicated someone else's error. Happens a lot.

I gave alot of testimones, in which the most logical explanation of the blast effects described, is high energy explosvies.

Those testimonies were handled years ago. I covered them four years ago, three years before you ever registered here. And I wasn't the first. You've conflated a vast array of out-of-context quotes from all phases of all three building disasters, and not one of them uniquely indicates explosives. In fact, out of all of them, only a single individual (the people behind the "testimonies") actually believes there was an explosive involved. His name is Willy Rodriguez, and you made it clear that you weren't even referring to him in an earlier post.

So, in other words, you've got nothing. Just quote-mines.

I only wanted to address the "experts" you quoted. What they had to say was correct. It just doesn't have any bearing on our problem, and does not support your conclusion. Again, quote-mining. Try not to do that in the future. Thanks.

The total destruction of the WTC 7 lobby, cannot be explained by any jet fuel explosion or falling debris, no reasonable person would asume that debis destroyed the lobby. The video i posted shows alot of dust inside the lobby after one of the towers collapsed, no damage was done to the lobby by this dust cloud, besides some windows that broke. The police that told Jennings to run, mention reports of more explosions, what explosions was he talking about?, this was after both towers had collapsed, and he was worried about explosions and wanted him to run from thebuilding, obviously, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn, is that the policeman got reports of the explosions that caused the damage in the lobby and killed the fire/policemen inside the lobby that Jennings stepped on, and was concerned that more explosions were to be expected. The witness that saw a shockwave ripping through WTC 7, busting out the windows, and a second later the bottom floor caved out and then the building followed after that, is another great example of a witness to what could be high energy explosives.

This paragraph is nothing but your own fantasy. The lobby damage in WTC 7 was caused by the collapse of the Towers, not "Explosives." At no time was there any shockwave at the WTC, not in any structure or at any point. There was nobody killed in WTC 7, despite what you believe. Jennings was practically the last man inside, and he was told to run over the telephone, if I recall correctly. It's been some time.

Once you figure out these very, very basic mistakes, you should have no trouble retiring your overall misconception. In short, you've been completely misled, and no conclusion of yours should be considered reliable, not with so many basic errors of fact.

Everybody in europe knows who runs your secret COG government, why do you deny the state-sponsored terror network that exist in your country?. You seem to like that your government has been in martial law ever since 911, the dictatorial powers that was put into place after the attack, is to keep you safe?, it was not a coup by the secret government to seize more power?, when did their agenda of world dominance change?, and why do we see these same war elites continuing working with Al-qaida after 911 and pushing their world order agenda. In many countries today, you look like a cook if you talk about CIA being an intelligence agency working for the president and gathering information. This is 2012, not the 60s when you could make excuses for the mafia....

I've been to Europe repeatedly and I have many colleagues there. You seem convinced that we all live in some kind of vacuum... It ain't so. The above is textbook paranoia, no further comment necessary. Good luck.

I dont care that much about anybodys opinion, not many people have studied 911, and most experts like this are simple human beings like everyone else that has bad judgment and lack any real critical thinking, we live in a very damaged society controlled mostly by oligarchs. 911 is a big subject and i only respect the opinion of somebody who have truly researched it. I did ask a couple of questions regarding some basement explosions on 911, nothing else. Why do you think someones opinion matters that much?. You can find out the only right answer by yourself, then if 20 explosvies experts dont agree with you, then you know how they are all wrong. Wouldn't it be nice being able to use logical thinking and not haft to rely on "experts"?. On 911, we see blast effects, that CAN be explained by very high explosives loads, and that most likely in my opinion are explained with high energy explosvies. This is a fact, we dont need to ask any experts.

Ramble. I happen to know a lot about fluid dynamics, I have run calculations on basement explosions right here in the Forum, and based on your mistakes, I've done a great deal more research on 9/11 than you have. Yet strangely I don't come to the same conclusion as you do. I wonder why.
 
This is why quote-mining is dangerous. Assuming you did in fact "learn" that, rather than scouring the entire universe to find some quote that seemed to vindicate your poor word choice, all you've done is replicated someone else's error. Happens a lot.

I put the exact phrase "tertiary blast wave" into Google and got 5 hits. One was from this thread.

Looks like the other 4 were the ones Liberty found while trying to cover for his original screw-up.
 
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I dont care that much about anybodys opinion, not many people have studied 911, and most experts like this are simple human beings like everyone else that has bad judgment and lack any real critical thinking, we live in a very damaged society controlled mostly by oligarchs. 911 is a big subject and i only respect the opinion of somebody who have truly researched it. I did ask a couple of questions regarding some basement explosions on 911, nothing else. Why do you think someones opinion matters that much?. You can find out the only right answer by yourself, then if 20 explosvies experts dont agree with you, then you know how they are all wrong. Wouldn't it be nice being able to use logical thinking and not haft to rely on "experts"?. On 911, we see blast effects, that CAN be explained by very high explosives loads, and that most likely in my opinion are explained with high energy explosvies. This is a fact, we dont need to ask any experts.

You are insane....you do know that don't you?:( Go see your Doc. or go back on your meds if you have already seen one.......
 
[...] most experts like this are simple human beings like everyone else that has bad judgment and lack any real critical thinking [...]


You see absolutely no value in expertise? I mean, you honestly believe that an educated and experienced dentist is no better at his chosen field of study than someone who spends several hours scouring Google?

You can find out the only right answer by yourself, then if 20 explosvies experts dont agree with you, then you know how they are all wrong.


I have to echo the concerns of others for your mental well-being. You are not well. In keeping with a general policy of not engaging those I feel are legitimately mentally handicapped in some way, I am putting you on ignore.
 
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