The 95 Feces of the CEUS SSC Report

[Trakar]

I actually just read the information on that map.

It wasn't done by the USGS, it was done by one of the intelligence agencies.

The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

http://research.utep.edu/Default.aspx?tabid=37229

Looks like someone has airbrushed out the crater in the USGS files.

So why remove information on something that does not exist?

I thought you said this wasn't a conspiracy thread?

 

[DeathDart]

This nonsense belongs in the conspiracies forum.

I have two gravity maps,
The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

http://research.utep.edu/Default.aspx?tabid=37229

And one by the USGS Government Agency that appears to support the Oil and Nuclear companies by acting as an accomplice to censoring geological data.
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/geophysics/gravity.html

On one (the NGI map) the impact crater edge is plainly visible, with the impact center at New Madrid. Further this site says it is correcting a lot of errors inherited from the USGS.

Was the data manipulated in the USGS map to remove the obvious indications of an impact?

Were the areas that defined the crater edge subject to special mathematical treatment, that did not include the rest of the map.

Does any of the blog readers have the skills to review these two data sets?

Was the quality of the whole map degraded to remove the indications of the craters edge?

The answer to this questions would be vital to proving incompetence or an intent to deceive.

This is science, the argument of data in the public domain, no warrants or subpoenas needed.

If an earthquake occurred in New Madrid tomorrow, could charges of manslaughter be brought against any of the people involved in suppressing the real geology of New Madrid? That real geology doesn't have to include an impact scenario unless the facts support it.

But we have no facts, just stale deep data, or great shovel fulls of shallow and selective seismic reflection profiles.

Another inconvenient truth made to go away with Republican style science management! When did this begin?

For how many years was the USGS the authoritative source for geology?

Now they will require a public cleaning house to redeem their reputation.

Well Molinaro, so this is nonsense, an argument about scientific facts, with potential life and death consequences.

Choose your choice of words more carefully next time.

 

[DeathDart]

OK, fair enough. Is there other evidence for this impact, something analogous to the iridium deposits at the K-T boundary? Something of that scale surely should have left some further trace.

The most common geological marker is a black shale that marks the end of the Devonian, pretty much world wide.

In Europe it is known as the Hangenberg shale.

In America the apparently identical black shale has different names according to where it is found, Bakken Shale, Marcellus Shale, Chattanooga Shale, Woodford Shale.

They appear to have been deposited at the same time, why the different names?

 

[Trakar]

I have two gravity maps,
The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

http://research.utep.edu/Default.aspx?tabid=37229

And one by the USGS Government Agency that appears to support the Oil and Nuclear companies by acting as an accomplice to censoring geological data.
http://mrdata.usgs.gov/geophysics/gravity.html

On one (the NGI map) the impact crater edge is plainly visible, with the impact center at New Madrid. Further this site says it is correcting a lot of errors inherited from the USGS...

I see no "crater" centered on the New Madrid fault area, which should be a little north and east of Memphis, almost on the labelled 90º longitude line.
can you link to a more specific depiction of this proposed crater?

 

[DeathDart]

I thought you said this wasn't a conspiracy thread?

A conspiracy using science can also be proven to be factual. I believe you are saying this is a theory of a conspiracy.

So if the proof is not strong enough, it should it be moved.

There is a glaring blank space in the publicly available geological information in this country.

To achieve this level of invisibility it had to corrupt both State and federal Governmental agencies.

It funded, and financially supported a scientific group whose only purpose is to sow confusion within geology.

"and that the cause of such earthquakes is not well understood."

The phrase "and that the cause of such earthquakes is not well understood" is a red flag. Where have I heard this phrase before? It is poorly understood because it is your job to make sure it is not understood.

Selling cigarette science to selling bogus geology, that phrase appears again and again. If you are confused, we all are so you are in good company. We are all confused, because this work is a piece of feces.

How does the science work, or the danger assessments work, without a cohesive theory? Accurate predictions that will protect the public can be made from a patchwork of lies?

 

[DeathDart]

I see no "crater" centered on the New Madrid fault area, which should be a little north and east of Memphis, almost on the labelled 90º longitude line.
can you link to a more specific depiction of this proposed crater?

Only if I draw a better depiction.This information is only a month to six weeks old. When I kept finding real information to be unavailable, then my Rat Radar activated.

On this map
http://research.utep.edu/Portals/73/Images/usgv.gif

New Madrid is the Gravity High at about -89 degrees W about 36 degrees North. the grid is nonlinear in this view.

There is a distinct ring beginning in West Virginia(?) circling counter-clockwise it sweeps up and to just to the south of the Great Lakes. After the great lakes it goes into Oklahoma in the west. At the time (about 360 million years ago) of the potential impact, the southern half of Oklahoma was breaking loose. That piece would eventually end up attached to Argentina.

A lot of that gravity highs you see in Texas and Arkansas may have been igneous material released by the impact, or unrelated geological activity that occurred after the impact.

The southeast side of the crater is pushed in by the Appalachian mountains. The Appalachian mountains were not in their present positon when the impact occurred.

There are also worm like things outside of the crater ring. One is to the west of Minnesota and the other is curving across Michigan These don't appear at the surface , they are intrusions of heavy igneous rock into fractures. These may have been reactivated (reopened) by the impact.

 

[zooterkin]

The writers don't attempt to enlighten us. While saying nothing, they just create a stage on which to prance around and posture scientifically. This is the Do-It-Yourself Manual on how to have a Fukashima event in your community.

You say that as if it was a bad thing. I'd be pretty happy to have Fukushima levels of safety, although the latest technology is even safer. Hit by an earthquake and a tidal wave, and yet no serious release of radiation and no deaths (last I heard, anyway).

 

[DeathDart]

Table C-5.4 C-53
CEUS SSC gravity anomaly data set
5 High-quality regional data. ERM RLMEs

0 Gravity anomaly data did not provide good resolution for delimiting the boundaries of the fault zone.

From the CEUS SSC report. They gave the gravity map (probably the standard USGS map) a 5 for the quality of data.

The gave it a 0 (Zero) for how much the report relied on it. Zero means no information was used. They said it does not delimit the boundaries of the fault zone. Translation: one look at this and you can see that the rift zone is bigger than what we are telling you. It is better to tell, rather than show. It's called lying.

It has a better than 50/50 probability at this point because of the gravity center and the gravity ring of being an impact crater. Even if it is not, looking at the gravity map it is ONE very large and interconnected structure. Any scientific theory that broke up and separated the sections would be a monstrous fraud. They are all pieces of a very large structure which may be seismically interconnected.

Impact or really big fracture zone, they were not going to tell either story.

 

[DeathDart]

You say that as if it was a bad thing. I'd be pretty happy to have Fukushima levels of safety, although the latest technology is even safer. Hit by an earthquake and a tidal wave, and yet no serious release of radiation and no deaths (last I heard, anyway).

So move there.

 

[Trakar]

Only if I draw a better depiction.This information is only a month to six weeks old. When I kept finding real information to be unavailable, then my Rat Radar activated.

On this map
http://research.utep.edu/Portals/73/Images/usgv.gif

New Madrid is the Gravity High at about -89 degrees W about 36 degrees North. the grid is nonlinear in this view.

There is a distinct ring beginning in West Virginia(?) circling counter-clockwise it sweeps up and to just to the south of the Great Lakes. After the great lakes it goes into Oklahoma in the west. At the time (about 360 million years ago) of the potential impact, the southern half of Oklahoma was breaking loose. That piece would eventually end up attached to Argentina.

A lot of that gravity highs you see in Texas and Arkansas may have been igneous material released by the impact, or unrelated geological activity that occurred after the impact.

The southeast side of the crater is pushed in by the Appalachian mountains. The Appalachian mountains were not in their present positon when the impact occurred.

There are also worm like things outside of the crater ring. One is to the west of Minnesota and the other is curving across Michigan These don't appear at the surface , they are intrusions of heavy igneous rock into fractures. These may have been reactivated (reopened) by the impact.

I'm not sure what "rat radar" is, nor what perceptual filters it employs in the resolution of the above description. I do not see what you describe, as a reasonable nor likely interpretation of the features depicted in this graphic. Please provide some compelling supportive evidence for your assertions.

 

[zooterkin]

So move there.

Or you could actually address the point. I'd be happy to live in Japan, but I'm not sure what relevance my willingness to move there from the UK has to do with whatever issue it is you are trying to raise.

What is the topic you want to discuss? Is there some context in a previous thread? Can you give a one-line summary of what on earth this is all about?

 

[Molinaro]

On one (the NGI map) the impact crater edge is plainly visible, with the impact center at New Madrid. Further this site says it is correcting a lot of errors inherited from the USGS.

I don't see any significant difference. Could you cut out the areas you are talking about and show them side by side to make your point more clear?

 

[dafydd]

I see no "crater" centered on the New Madrid fault area, which should be a little north and east of Memphis, almost on the labelled 90º longitude line.
can you link to a more specific depiction of this proposed crater?

So they still have to build it?

 

[DeathDart]

I don't see any significant difference. Could you cut out the areas you are talking about and show them side by side to make your point more clear?

So far the only difference that is definitive is the overlay layer on the USGS map is frosted.

 

[DeathDart]

So they still have to build it?

It is probably there if you look closely at the top part of the arc you will see a narrow line. A gravity low. Narrow as in about 3 to 5 miles in width. The crater was buried, but it is still visible on the gravity map.

Every time I went to find some evidence I ran into two patterns.

Pattern One
The information was old, though straight forward. It would give a description that was accurate using the theories of that time. Their budgets were tighter, and getting proper dating is a problem. The theories available did not include impacts.

Pattern Two
Up to date gibberish. The people writing this were not being straight forward and they are using jargon and minutiae to pretend to explain something.

The federal and state governments were complicit by not funding anyone not on the pedigreed list to work in these sensitive areas. I would also bet they could discourage independent investigations by having the land owners block access.

So you have a lot of press about New Madrid, but no new research <30years showing the deep roots of the problem. The other deception was the reference titles, which were suggestive of good complete information. , While other data from that time period was free, to see their references had to pay for it. You get the data and discover that the deep seismic scan referred to in the title, only went down two miles?

So reading the references gave you the impression that there was loads of information available. This was just a ruse. The information may actually exist, but it is in a vault somewhere.

So if you say there is lots of information on New Madrid available, you produce it! It needs to show the crustal issues which are the foundation of understanding how this massive fracture zone came into existence.

And how about its age?

The CEUS SSC report is trying to paint a picture of it being a couple million years old at worst. Even the USGS gravity map shows it in uncomfortable scale.

It is 10's of millions of years old at the least!

I spent 6 weeks going down all kinds of dead ends.

When this CEUS SSC report showed up it verified that this is an ongoing policy by both the Nuclear and the Oil industries. This report is by the Nuclear industry, so how can I blame the oil companies?

Because the oil companies have more than enough data to blow the CEUS arguments out of the water!

Now continuing with the usual suspects, what industry or chamber of commerce would want to have an unstable impact crater in their back yard?

The only people who would benefit are the people who could be killed or poisoned by a shattered nuclear reactor. Meaning, all the rest of us.

Money outweighs suffering.

 

[DeathDart]

Or you could actually address the point. I'd be happy to live in Japan, but I'm not sure what relevance my willingness to move there from the UK has to do with whatever issue it is you are trying to raise.

What is the topic you want to discuss? Is there some context in a previous thread? Can you give a one-line summary of what on earth this is all about?

So mister zooterkin we all know that Fukashima was IS a disaster, so why are you trying to get me to waste my time describing the obvious? This is the thread, it is about hiding dangerous geology to make money.
They get the money, we get to die prematurely.

 

[DeathDart]

The Pedigree List

When I said that you had to be on the pedigree list to be allowed to work in these geological areas, I was not exaggerating. I did not put the quote marks around pedigree.

They are trying to come with a model of seismic attenuation that would allow them to build closer to active earth quake zones. The more attenuation, the closer you can build it to an earthquake zone.

http://peer.berkeley.edu/ngaeast/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Tu_AM_2b_Salomone_EPRI-Perspective.pdf

Page 6 Two documents to a page so you will need to scroll manually.

Need:
– Understands Importance of Developing New Attenuation
Relations for the CEUS with the Same SSHAC Level 3
“pedigree” as the CEUS SSC Model

• Challenge:
– Accelerate the Development of New Attenuation Relations for the
CEUS with an acceptable “pedigree”

 

[DeathDart]

For the crater to be visible you need to understand what a crater this size would look like on Earth.

Problem one. Chicxulub is pretty big 110 miles in diameter, Shiva off the West Coast of India is bigger then Chicxulub 350 X 250 miles in diameter. If New Madrid is the Ragnarok Impact Crater it dwarfs them all at 820 miles in diameter.

Plus I don't know where the majority of the impact energy was spent.

If the energy was spent on the surface, it would have pushed the crust in or excavated it.

If it was spent against the underside of the crust it would have bowed the crust outward.

Or it could be a combination of the two effects.

The word Orogeny pops up a lot when they talk of this period of time.
When a series of actions such as uplift, erosion, subsistence, and breccia infilling, occurs simultaneously, in a lot of places, that is a red flag. All four of these time consuming processes can take millions of years to complete. All four of the processes take can be replaced with impact, excavation, and collapse, which takes only a few minutes to occur.

For just using a gravity map it is pretty good evidence.

What would be needed are real scans, dating of igneous intrusions, drilling to get samples.

The impact breccia has been found in a lot of places. It was even recognized as breccia, but was chocked up to unknown processes or things like slumping. This was early on, after a while breccia would not even be mentioned except when it was really obvious. Then they would call it Karst, or cave collapse breccia. Damn big cave.

 

[Molinaro]

So far the only difference that is definitive is the overlay layer on the USGS map is frosted.

Frosted? What the heck is that supposed to mean?

 

[DeathDart]

Frosted? What the heck is that supposed to mean?

There is an overlay layer. For things like state lines and such. If you do get the two close to each other the USGS map has an overlay layer. This slightly reduces the detail because it is not perfectly transparent. State lines and topographic silhouettes are placed on digital overlays.

I haven't had the time to do a thorough comparison. but the frosted overlay pane doesn't help. With the topographic? layer in place it is really difficult to use.But you can turn all them off, but there is still a frosted pane left.

An you have two choices of data display at the USGS the Isostatic and the Bouguer. The Bouguer is the one you want to use.