An issue with 9/11 Commission criticism

[Travis]

Yes, a common Truther meme is that the 9/11 Commission was a scam. That it white washed things and didn't delve into anything.

Also Bush wanted to limit its scope and refused to testify alone and under oath.

But.......wait. If Bush is part of a cabal that controls things enough for a 9/11 inside job to be pulled off then why would the 9/11 Commission worry him? After all they could just control the Commission, tell it what to write and provide all sorts of faked evidence.

A bogus 9/11 Commission Report would appear to be an awesome in depth investigation that was never hindered. I mean if you are going to fake it then why fake obstructions?

As such I think this needs to come down to Truthers picking one of two things: That the Commission was honest and hamstrung by conspirators or the whole damned thing was fake and the alleged obstruction was actually part of the fakery.

Or (third option open to non-Truthers) they could accept it as not quite complete but good attempt at getting to the bottom of governmental policy failures related to the attack.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Also Bush wanted to limit its scope and refused to testify alone and under oath.

This one [Rule10]es me off no end. The Commission was created by Congress. Congress cannot compel the President or the Vice President to testify under oath. Any President who agreed to waive that executive privilege, no matter what the circumstances, would be setting a horrible precedent. Got it, Truthers?

 

[Travis]

I believe we've tried explaining that to them in the past.


We've also tried explaining that they (meaning the Bush white house) wouldn't want a real in depth investigation purely because they had some incompetence to try and hide.

 

[Justin39640]

I believe we've tried explaining that to them in the past.


We've also tried explaining that they (meaning the Bush white house) wouldn't want a real in depth investigation purely because they had some incompetence to try and hide.

I think the hiding of incompetence was the real conspiracy of 9/11. All this Bombs, space rays, etc was so distracting, we'll never really know how stupid some people were and to what lengths they went to concealing it.

I think that if people focused on LIHOP conspiracies instead of retarded, over the top MIHOP theories, the debate would have been more widespread and lasted longer.

 

[Oz1976]

I think the hiding of incompetence was the real conspiracy of 9/11. All this Bombs, space rays, etc was so distracting, we'll never really know how stupid some people were and to what lengths they went to concealing it.

I think that if people focused on LIHOP conspiracies instead of retarded, over the top MIHOP theories, the debate would have been more widespread and lasted longer.

Actually if you read the report (which I'm not saying you haven't), as I have again recently, they did uncover an enormous amount of incompetence, they just worded it nicely.

Especially with the inaction of both the Clinton and Bush administrations prior to 9/11. Nothing was done in retalliation for the USS Cole. The retalliation for the embassy bombings was a few cruise missiles. They chose not to back Massoud who, with the propper funding and resources, probably could have put up a much better fight against the Taliban. They had atleast 3 occassions to kill Bin Ladin and refused to act. They refused to put "boots on the ground" in any kind of clandestine action to get him. Mindhar actually left the US and was allowed back in...due to lack of communication between departments, he was a "person of interrest" from a terrorist meeting in Kuala Lumpur and not identified until too late. CIA KNEW some of the hijackers were tied to Al Qaeda, yet...they were allowed entry into the US relatively easy.

All kinds of incompetence runs throughout the report. I had forgotten alot of what was in it, and it made my stomach churn. The failure was across the board.


Back to the Truthers and their view of the report:
One thing they've always maintained was that the report never dealt with the cause of collapses or WTC 7 blah blah blah...obviously because WE know what caused the collapses despite their inability to comprehend it...I did find some support in the report that people had reported before the towers came down that they were in jeopardy of doing so....jotted these down the other day...

At about 9:57, an EMS paramedic approached the FDNY Chief of
Department and advised that an engineer in front of 7 WTC had just remarked
that the Twin Towers in fact were in imminent danger of a total collapse.136
----From pg. 302, paragraph 5, 9/11 Commission Report

At 10:04, NYPD aviation
reported that the top 15 stories of the North Tower “were glowing red”
and that they might collapse. At 10:08, a helicopter pilot warned that he did
not believe the North Tower would last much longer.176
----From pg. 309

The constant insistance that the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the collapses of the towers and 7 irks me to no end. I'm still waiting on MirageMemories to admit he was wrong with regards to their mandate and what they were tasked to do...not holding my breath.

 

[Dash80]

It wasn't the commission's job to investigate the collapses, I tried explaining that to a truther a few days ago. He also admitted he wouldn't have believed a word of it even if they had. Can't win either way!

 

[Travis]

Tasking a congressional commission to investigate an engineering matter would have been nuts anyways.

 

[grandmastershek]

Even more laughable is that Bush obviously had no problem killing thousands of his own citizens, but had a problem with lying under oath.

 

[Oliver]

Yes, a common Truther meme is that the 9/11 Commission was a scam. That it white washed things and didn't delve into anything.

Also Bush wanted to limit its scope and refused to testify alone and under oath.

But.......wait. If Bush is part of a cabal that controls things enough for a 9/11 inside job to be pulled off then why would the 9/11 Commission worry him? After all they could just control the Commission, tell it what to write and provide all sorts of faked evidence.

A bogus 9/11 Commission Report would appear to be an awesome in depth investigation that was never hindered. I mean if you are going to fake it then why fake obstructions?

As such I think this needs to come down to Truthers picking one of two things: That the Commission was honest and hamstrung by conspirators or the whole damned thing was fake and the alleged obstruction was actually part of the fakery.

Or (third option open to non-Truthers) they could accept it as not quite complete but good attempt at getting to the bottom of governmental policy failures related to the attack.

Where the commission report completely failed is the fact that the US-Israel relation was and is a major reason for aggression against the US. The report may have been a good opportunity to put away political correctness concerning the motives behind the attack.

 

[Oz1976]

Where the commission report completely failed is the fact that the US-Israel relation was and is a major reason for aggression against the US. The report may have been a good opportunity to put away political correctness concerning the motives behind the attack.

It is mentioned in the report several times...through the interrogation records of KSM and Binalshieb...they both say and are referenced as saying that "support of Israel and US Middle East foreign policy" were motivations for attacks on US interrests. The Commission did relay that, they just didn't emphasize it enough.

 

[Travis]

Where the commission report completely failed is the fact that the US-Israel relation was and is a major reason for aggression against the US. The report may have been a good opportunity to put away political correctness concerning the motives behind the attack.

What is politically incorrect about noting that crazy people think the America-Israel relationship is wrong?