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Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

Tomtomkent said:
Then why id you claim you DISBELIEVE the evidence.

To doubt means you can reasonably be convinced by looking at the evidence. Instead you simply deny it.
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But what if I'm unconvinced by the evidence, not because of the evidence itself but because of possible fraud and conspiracy?
 
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The reason that many of the top Federal Reserve Board crime syndicate crooks have not been arrested yet is that the old system needs to be kept going with string and wire and duct-tape until final preparations for a radically new system are completed. For example, an Asian proposal now being negotiated calls for 10 million yen or about US$125,000 to be budgeted for each and every individual human being on earth. The Pentagon is also making similar radical proposals for a complete change of how humans interact with each other and with nature. The big conclusion being reached at the highest level is that the old financial system in the West was an illusion used by a secret cabal to keep us enslaved. We are now about to become truly free in ways that will exceed most people’s most optimistic expectations. However, there will be some hard work at first before this becomes true." -- Full story (for paying members): http://benjaminfulford.net/2012/01/...tiations-are-proceeding-at-the-highest-level/
 
Anders Lindman said:
"Out of the box negotiations are proceeding at the highest level

The reason that many of the top Federal Reserve Board crime syndicate crooks have not been arrested yet is that the old system needs to be kept going with string and wire and duct-tape until final preparations for a radically new system are completed. For example, an Asian proposal now being negotiated calls for 10 million yen or about US$125,000 to be budgeted for each and every individual human being on earth. The Pentagon is also making similar radical proposals for a complete change of how humans interact with each other and with nature. The big conclusion being reached at the highest level is that the old financial system in the West was an illusion used by a secret cabal to keep us enslaved. We are now about to become truly free in ways that will exceed most people’s most optimistic expectations. However, there will be some hard work at first before this becomes true." -- Full story (for paying members): http://benjaminfulford.net/2012/01/...tiations-are-proceeding-at-the-highest-level/
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Meh, still no actual evidence I see.
 
Anders Lindman said:
But what if I'm unconvinced by the evidence, not because of the evidence itself but because of possible fraud and conspiracy?
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Then that is denial. You have been shown the evidence, and denied it. On the POSSIBILITY. Not because you have proven, shown or removed doubt of fraud and conspiracy. Special pleading.

This should not be so hard.
 
JayUtah said:
But you originally didn't. You originally tried to take other people to task for questioning your claims that mind control followed the Blade Runner model.
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Exactly. I pointed out it was science fiction, described the viable model we know to work. I even pointed out the Blade Runner sci fi was no needed for his claim.

And instead of saying "Oh I agree with that" he said "No", he meant a Blade Runner scenario.

He hops over the fence so often he must lose track of what he is denying or supporting at any one time.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Then that is denial. You have been shown the evidence, and denied it. On the POSSIBILITY. Not because you have proven, shown or removed doubt of fraud and conspiracy. Special pleading.

This should not be so hard.
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I have posted about why I doubt Einstein's relativity in other threads. But ok, it would be difficult to prove that scientific evidence about relativity has been faked.

Science is actually vulnerable to fraud. And it's very difficult to prove fraud since science is today's unquestioned religion and dogma. The scientific method is good, but it requires that it is free from fraud, manipulation and conspiracies.
 
Tomtomkent said:
This should not be so hard.
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Everything with Anders is hard if you try to take him seriously.

Considered one way, the conspiracy theory about falsifying evidence in favor of relativity is purported by its authors to be fact. So if we doubt that proposition that purports to be fact, we are skeptical of it. And the question is whence arises that cause for doubt: it arises from the paucity of credible evidence to support that affirmative claim.

Considered another way, the evidence in favor of relatively is purported to be fact. But someone who simply doesn't want to believe it will speculate any number of "possible" reasons not to trust it -- none of them having any special credibility. Trumping up lame excuses not to believe something is not skepticism. It's not healthy doubt. It's denial.
 
JayUtah said:
But you originally didn't. You originally tried to take other people to task for questioning your claims that mind control followed the Blade Runner model.
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No, no. Completely wrong. I have said all along that the Replicants in Bladerunner is NOT the type of mind control Svali and others have described.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I have posted about why I doubt Einstein's relativity in other threads. But ok, it would be difficult to prove that scientific evidence about relativity has been faked.

Science is actually vulnerable to fraud. And it's very difficult to prove fraud since science is today's unquestioned religion and dogma. The scientific method is good, but it requires that it is free from fraud, manipulation and conspiracies.
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Actually it is exceptionally easy to prove science is a fraud. Peers review each others work, see the data is flawed, try to repeat the experiment and show it is fraudulent.

Take the Wakefield MMR scare as an example. The media may have bought it, but the fraud was revealed repeatedly in peer review journals from the off.
 
Anders Lindman said:
No, no. Completely wrong. I have said all along that the Replicants in Bladerunner is NOT the type of mind control Svali and others have described.
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Which does not change the fact when an alternative method was described you ARGUED AGAINST ME. You said it was NOT what you were concerned with and YOU DID MEAN the Bladerunner thing.

Why did you do that if what you actually meant was to agree with me?

(you really are struggling here, why?)
 
JayUtah said:
Then why have you failed to explain my direct quotes from your posts that state the opposite?
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Because that quote was about how I meant what was NOT the same as the mind control the secret cabal uses. Look at the posts prior to the one you quoted for context.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Most conspiracy theories are probably controlled opposition! So they are often manipulated.
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Probably? Based on what evidence?

Nah I'm kidding. You know that is just a special pleading. Your own theories are manipulated, by you, to throw around unprovable and unwarranted accustaions. You went from the Dragon Family to Vatican Assassins with no reason. Then to Mind control. Then to control of forums. You are clearly manipulating your theory to suit your own needs.

If only there were an objective way to consider such issues... like... I don't know... evidence based confirmation? Gee. Why don't you give that a go.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Which does not change the fact when an alternative method was described you ARGUED AGAINST ME. You said it was NOT what you were concerned with and YOU DID MEAN the Bladerunner thing.

Why did you do that if what you actually meant was to agree with me?

(you really are struggling here, why?)
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I already said that then I have misunderstood what you meant. The Replicants in Bladerunner is science fiction. <--- Period.
 
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