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Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

Anders Lindman said:
I doubt that I am mind controlled by some secret cabal. This forum could be controlled by them though.
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Special pleading.

This JREF forum is better organized I think.
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Tidiness = mind control?

Maybe it's easy for those who have certain vast knowledge about mind control to 'lead' people in certain directions and if so even I could be 'guided'.
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You haven't shown any evidence that you aren't being controlled, just a fervent hope that you aren't. You haven't figured out yet that the broad brush you proposed to tar the rest of the world with can't be operated without getting a fair amount of tar on yourself.

It's a speculative possibility but that I'm unconsciously posting some controlled opposition disinfo is unlikely imo.
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Acutually -- and I'm quite serious here -- one of the most common dysfunctions found in delusional people is a belief that they are naturally more immune to errors in thought than others.

Because I think disinfo can be detected using rational thinking.
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So can baseless conspiracy theories. That doesn't stop you from spewing them 24x7 and patting yourself on the back for your insight and cleverness.
 
Anders Lindman said:
That's also a valid assumption. I will test my assumption first though. And assume that the secret cabal rules the entire world and everything that goes on in society and the rest of us are basically clueless human resources that are manipulated into behaving in certain predictable ways through the scarcity of money etc.
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Assume the conclusion, that is not a good debate strategy at all.
 
Anders is probably the most "successful" troll I've seen on these forums. Gold star for him, I suppose. Of course, the vast amounts of free time he seems to possess must certainly help...
 
TheRedWorm said:
and without trolling, this thread would be approximately 3 posts long.
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I have posted speculation but not trolling. The main reason is that there is not much new information about the lawsuit, so when I posted the little I had found the rest of the posts became much about mind control instead. I guess I need to make a stronger connection between mind control and the lawsuit, or drop the mind control topic.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I have posted speculation but not trolling. The main reason is that there is not much new information about the lawsuit, so when I posted the little I had found the rest of the posts became much about mind control instead.
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Unrelated data, with out proof, and random silly excuses and tangents.

Yep, that's trolling.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Because it doesn't exist.

You on the other hand claim it does, and is being used. So given that belief, if I accept your theory, how do I know you are not being mind controlled?
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First you will have to accept the possibility of mind control. Otherwise my answer would have no meaning for you.
 
Anders Lindman said:
First you will have to accept the possibility of mind control. Otherwise my answer would have no meaning for you.
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But the problem is that once the premise of mind-control is accepted, it becomes the deus ex machina for all the nonsense you care to spew, except when other people try to hold you accountable for the possibility of mind-control as a rebuttal. Your approach to mind-control is that it enables whatever proposition ekes out of your orifice today, while bouncing harmlessly off you because you're just that magical.

Therefore none of your answers are answers because they're just appeals to magic only you can wield.
 
JayUtah said:
But the problem is that once the premise of mind-control is accepted, it becomes the deus ex machina for all the nonsense you care to spew, except when other people try to hold you accountable for the possibility of mind-control as a rebuttal. Your approach to mind-control is that it enables whatever proposition ekes out of your orifice today, while bouncing harmlessly off you because you're just that magical.

Therefore none of your answers are answers because they're just appeals to magic only you can wield.
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Well, if you don't accept the premise, then what are we discussing? :confused:
 
Anders Lindman said:
First you will have to accept the possibility of mind control. Otherwise my answer would have no meaning for you.
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Non-sequitor. I understand the concepts of the subject fine. I don't need to accept your theory to discuss it. So let's try again and see if you actually have an answer to give, or if you will keep trolling:

How do you know you are not a subject of the mind control you theorise to exist?
 
Anders Lindman said:
Well, if you don't accept the premise, then what are we discussing? :confused:
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Perhaps you can't grasp the concept of a discussion. We don't have to accept it, and we will not simply accept it. You presumably want your speculation to be accepted by others, or to know the reasons we reject it, otherwise why are you posting it here? To troll? Or do you just want us to say "Gee you are right!" with out actually thinking about it? Which amounts to trolling as well.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Non-sequitor. I understand the concepts of the subject fine. I don't need to accept your theory to discuss it. So let's try again and see if you actually have an answer to give, or if you will keep trolling:

How do you know you are not a subject of the mind control you theorise to exist?
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I don't know if mind control is real or not. I don't know if I'm under mind control or not.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Perhaps you can't grasp the concept of a discussion. We don't have to accept it, and we will not simply accept it. You presumably want your speculation to be accepted by others, or to know the reasons we reject it, otherwise why are you posting it here? To troll? Or do you just want us to say "Gee you are right!" with out actually thinking about it? Which amounts to trolling as well.
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But let's get real here. It's not like I propose that Santa Claus exists or something like that. Mind control is an actual official topic of research, such as:

"The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was placed as the forerunner in mind control research. This was accomplished through the establishment of a program code-named MKULTURA. The primary objective of MKULTURA was to forge ahead of the Communists' research and to become more effective in this area. "MKULTURA was established to counter perceived Soviet and Chinese advances in brain washing and interrogation techniques" (McGonigle, 1999). While the Department of Defense worked to rapidly counter Communist weapons capabilities, the CIA attempted to extend the arms race to the inclusion of actual human beings. An inherent moral issue, the government ignored the scientific guidelines that had been established for the use of experimentation on humans by the Nuremberg trials (generally referred to as "the Nuremberg Principle")." -- http://people.bethel.edu/~kisrob/hon301k/project/Final/mind_control.htm
 
Anders Lindman said:
First you will have to accept the possibility of mind control. Otherwise my answer would have no meaning for you.
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This "idea" you have that we wouldn't be able to understand because we do not blindly accept "possibilities" (your word) is condescending garbage.

If you can't make a "case" for the existence of mind control, then just admit you can't.
 
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