Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

Christopher7 said:
Correction, 3 firefighters [McGlynn, Fellini and Nigro] thought the building would collapse based on their observation, one [Hayden] heard it from the "engineer". All the rest heard it thru the grapevine.
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What words are you reading? all of them personally said they thought it would collapse. :rolleyes:

For example, why dont you include Vincent Massa? He says "Everybody was expecting that to come down". Apparenly you read that as... "sum people told me it was comin' down, so I jus' don beleved did!" Or Richard Picciotto that said, "Seven World Trade Center was teetering on collapse", apparently you think means "sum pepoll said that 7 was gonna collapse".

But hey, are you therefore saying that those firefighters were in on it? And that the others you say just believed whatever they were told even though you say its impossible and so therefore have to be mindless drones that believe whatever they are told, right?

Is this guy stupid or in on it as well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnYBX6QT0R4

That came out of your head.
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No, you're the one saying they will believe anything they are told without question.


Battalion Chief John Norman I looked at 7 World Trade Center. There was smoke showing, but not a lot and I’m saying that isn’t going to fall.
I never expected it to fall the way it did as quickly as it did, 7.
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Wow you actually - sort of - backed something up. Congratulations!

Unfortunately Norman also said...

" You couldn’t really see from where we were on the west face of the
building, but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was
very heavily damaged.

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Guys are looking at me when I’m telling them to move away, we’re over by the north tower and we got to get out of here. They said what building you talking about? I said that building and they thought the phone company because through the smoke you couldn’t see what I’m talking about. They said that building isn’t going anywhere. I said no, not that building, the one next to it, the big one. It was tough getting them to understand what we’re talking about because until you had done either a couple of 360s around this whole site or if you got an aerial view somehow, you really couldn’t appreciate the scope of the damage.

So he says you couldn't appreciate the scope of the damage until you see all sides and he says it was very heavily damaged. Thats a lie according to truthers and the FEMA picture of the damage has been claimed to be fake according to you guys. But here he is an expert according to you, yet he doesnt agree. How is that possible? I guess its post traumatic stress made him see things that werent there I suppose.

Why hasnt he joined your cause? Why didnt he say he heard explosions? Because he doesn't actually support you.

Incidently he was a fire Chief, why wasnt he in on it like you say the other fire chiefs were?

There's one more but people like you gave him so much grief that he doesn't want his name mentioned.
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Uh huh. So you say he has been mentioned in the past, so where is it?

And two - sort of but not really - don't match the dozens and dozens that specifically disagree with you in one way or another and no other dissenting opinions from them.

Stop saying that. They were in shock and grief striken. They are heroes for carrying on in spite of that.
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In shock and grief striken for over 10 years and somehow still don't support anything you say. Okay. :rolleyes:

There is no other explanaton for their behaviour other than then being in on it or mindless drones. Same with RJ Lee, you REQUIRE RJ Lee to be incompetent in saying the spheres were expected. You REQUIRE RJ Lee to not know what the are talking about when they say that, but then suddenly they are highly credible experts when you want to quote mine them.

BTW: No one could have predicted that WTC 7 would collapse due to the failure of column 79. The fires had not even reached that area when they decided to pull back.
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No one said that column 79 was going to fail, they said that it looked like it was going to collapse due to the fact that it was leaning, bulging, groaning and creaking and it had raging unfought fires for over 7 hours and it had a huge gash in the side of it. Thats what the actual firefighters said.



Jet fuel burns at 500-600 degrees in open air and the smoke was black indicating a low temperature fire in the towers.
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Wow, you really have lost it. To bad you'll never find a fire expert source to back that nonsense up. To steal from gumboots post,
Is this fire oxygen starved? How about this one? Or here, here,, here, and here.


Arent you the same guy that claims that the WTC had a concrete core? :rolleyes:
 
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NoahFence said:
Irrelevant.

All irrelevant. Your movement is irrelevant. 9/11 conspiracy theories are the single easiest CTs to debunk. As I said before, a retarded, drooling salamander could prove you wrong. So what's that make you people? LESS!!!
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plague311 said:
Yeah, what can I say? I'll admit I'm a bit of a sucker for replying.
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Maybe it is time to stop referring to the "9/11 Truth Movement" and start to call those who post here the "9/11 Trolling Movement"

...the evidence would support us. ;)
 
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So you DO believe the entire FDNY lying about the conspiracy.

Christopher7

You seem to have the reading comprehension of a 4 year old. I said the engineer was in on it, not the firefighters. This is just more pathetic intentional misinterpretation like Twinstead.
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Thank goodnes … for a moment I thought you believed the media and NYPD were in on it too

Have you told Richard Gage your important findings? You need to contact him immediately. He still mistakenly believes the FDNY , media and NYPD were in on it and has them posted on his site as criminals.​
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WTCBuilding #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
7. Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY​

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You're getting very warm with the engineer.
She worked for the company that pressed the WTC7 demo button.​

According to first responder Kevin "No One Remembers Me" McPadden, WTC7 was CD’d by a well known demolition company - the American Red Cross.
At 2:00 min
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Make sure you tell Gage to blame and hound the real WTC7 criminals – the American Red Cross.​
 
Christopher7 said:
In this thread I have presented scientific evidence of temperatures far in excess of what office fires can attain. You are asking me to speculate about something else entirely so you can ignore this evidence and recite a rant from the deniers playbook. No sale.
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......now if you could get RJ Lee to testify in court or even make a affidavit that the iron microspheres could only have been formed in temperatures higher than those possible in an office fire then you might be getting somewhere.....

as of now all we have evidence of is you not understanding how iron rich microspheres are formed.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
......now if you could get RJ Lee to testify in court or even make a affidavit that the iron microspheres could only have been formed in temperatures higher than those possible in an office fire then you might be getting somewhere.....
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The Truth Movement is asking for an independent investigation with subpoena power.

No one has shown that large quantities of microspheres can be produced by rubbing two pieces of steel together. The spheres made up nearly 6% of the dust. The RJ Lee Group said "iron melted ... producing spheres", not "friction created the spheres". Deniers always try to find an alternate explanation for the evidence, no matter how implausible, and insist that's what happened.
 
Christopher7 said:
The RJ Lee Group said "iron melted ... producing spheres", not "friction created the spheres"..
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And yet the RJ Lee group said it was expected and don't agree with you.

So I guess that makes then ignorant incompetent deniers, then.:rolleyes:
 
Christopher7 said:
The Truth Movement is asking for an independent investigation with subpoena power.

No one has shown that large quantities of microspheres can be produced by rubbing two pieces of steel together. The spheres made up nearly 6% of the dust. The RJ Lee Group said "iron melted ... producing spheres", not "friction created the spheres". Deniers always try to find an alternate explanation for the evidence, no matter how implausible, and insist that's what happened.
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Subpoena power??? So the government you accuse of murder is all off a sudden when presented with a subpoena, going to wilt under the pressure? Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!
 
NoahFence said:
Subpoena power??? So the government you accuse of murder is all off a sudden when presented with a subpoena, going to wilt under the pressure? Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!
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Its the same about being under oath. Truthers seem to think that the conspirators will suddenly admit everything if they could just get them under oath. Not sure why they need that, according to truthers these guys cant help blabbing about the conspiracy like Silverstein. Just cant keep their mouths shut.
 
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Edx said:
Its the same about being under oath. Truthers seem to think that conspiracy theorists will suddenly admit everything if they could just get them under oath. Not sure why they need that, according to truthers these guys cant help blabbing about the conspiracy like Silverstein. Just cant keep their mouths shut.
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It's even sillier. "They" cannot even present a coherent explanation of what they intend to prove by evidence adduced under oath.
 
Christopher7 said:
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No. You keep ignoring what they said: "iron melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles." not "the spheres were created by the friction of steel framework falling".

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There was no iron in the WTC, the WTC used steel for structural reasons. That takes care of that lie.

No thermite product was fused to WTC steel. No thermite was used. Claims of thermite being used in the WTC are baseless.

Unless you come up with evidence, your opinions and delusional points will not help your insane claim of an inside job. What is your goal? Who have told of this massive CT?
 
NoahFence said:
Every post, every thought by these trolls is somehow more stupid than the one before. A remarkable accomplishment.
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They are running out of steam. The classic trolls of a couple of years back could troll whilst maintaining some humour and by "twisting" words to alter meaning - usually with a funny aspect you could laugh at. This current crop are relying more and more on snide comments and personal insults. A sure sign that they have run out of ideas or never had the required intellect anyway. Probably only one has stuck to his style - nit picking pedantry where the debunker only gets it 97% right BUT never saying anything himself NOR putting forward alternates. No names - look where I point. :rolleyes:

It's very rare now to have anything to respond to or explain. "All over 'cept for the fat lady and piano" bit. Nothing left of any significance requiring rebuttal - hence all these interminable sideline red-herring issues - thermXte, microspheres, what Fred Jones said or didn't say. All irrelevant. Four Planes four targets. 75% success. All significant technical questions answered many times. End of story from the technical perspective. ;)
 
Yes, I am better than RJ Lee Group, but they said nothing wrong.
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Im going to put this as a quote on my posts. you know, those little quotes down at the bottom of your page. Wow dude! Thanks!

Look at this mentality?

And yet he says "cherry pick" and "pulizer" like it's the only words he knows.

Speaks volumes.
 
triforcharity said:
So, you cite the RJ Lee report as an expert opinion in one post, but in the next one, claim they're wrong.

Explain how that works.

(This is a perfect example of confirmation bias. )
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I love that they cite a report that begins with a disclaimer that pretty much says nothing contained in that report indicates an "inside job". lol

ETA: I may be thinking of another report actually. Hmmm
 
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The WTC event includes clean up for RJ Lee, to say otherwise is failed logic.
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Wrong.This is a lie to cover up the truth. And an obvious one. Fail. Big fail. No logic. Failed logic.

Who are you to just dismiss other opinions but your own simply saying "failed logic " for every single excuse? That looks absolutely pathetic when you are reading through the post. Same thing every post.

The "Event" was the collapse. Everyone knows it except you.
 
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