Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[Mojo]

I'm not against any secret cabal, if that's what you mean. And I'm not against the public society either. So in a way I defend both sides. If that's a sign of mind control then I stand guilty.

The question is not whether you think you are are "for" or "against" them, it's whether you are under their control. And this question is of vital relevence to this thread because if you are under their control then nothing you post in it can be trusted.

 

[Tomtomkent]

I'm not against any secret cabal, if that's what you mean. And I'm not against the public society either. So in a way I defend both sides. If that's a sign of mind control then I stand guilty.

And yet you blame the cabal for 9/11 and vatican assassins. And cabals that you are accussing of immoral mind control methods.

You are happy to be associated with defending the actions you want to be put into history books?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Then, do you understand that until you do, you are by default WRONG. A claim with out evidence is unfounded, and will convince nobody. All you will achieve is to have people tell you that you are wrong, and ask for evidence.

As you keep making excuses to try and avoid the burden of proof, we can safely assume you don't like to be thought of as wrong. So you may not like how this thread will evolve.

Let's look at this quote again:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -- David Rockefeller - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller

Is Rockefeller's claim that he belongs to a secret cabal by default wrong? If so, how?

 

[Anders Lindman]

The question is not whether you think you are are "for" or "against" them, it's whether you are under their control. And this question is of vital relevence to this thread because if you are under their control then nothing you post in it can be trusted.

You mean I then could have the ability to brainwash people? Let's hope that's not the case.

 

[Anders Lindman]

And yet you blame the cabal for 9/11 and vatican assassins. And cabals that you are accussing of immoral mind control methods.

You are happy to be associated with defending the actions you want to be put into history books?

The nasty nature of the mind control secret society must be changed. So I'm not saying that it's absolutely fine for it to continue. Quite the opposite. But I don't blame the 'reptile brain' behavior of the secret society no more than I blame a lizard for being coldblooded. It's a natural evolutionary development imo.

 

[Moss]

I have already pointed out that I'm always one step ahead of y'all.

Is this then some kind of game?

 

[Tomtomkent]

The nasty nature of the mind control secret society must be changed. So I'm not saying that it's absolutely fine for it to continue. Quite the opposite.

Then why did you claim to be defending them?

Are you lying NOW, or THEN, when you said you defended both sides and were not against them?

Both statements can not be true at the same time.

 

[Mojo]

You mean I then could have the ability to brainwash people?

No, I mean that you then could only post the disinformation that the cabal wants you to post.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Is this then some kind of game?

No, the basic purpose of the thread is to examine if the lawsuit is real or not and if it's real then what kind of secret powers are we dealing with.

By being one step ahead I simply mean that I use the power of the present moment to support me. Eckhart Tolle has described what he calls "The Power of Now": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJrveFV0MmY

 

[Tomtomkent]

No, the basic purpose of the thread is to examine if the lawsuit is real or not and if it's real then what kind of secret powers are we dealing with.

And to do THAT you would need to supply more evidence than an out of context quote and assertions.

Why wont you do that, if it is your purpose? You seem to think "Speculate random fantasy" is the meaning of "examine".

 

[Anders Lindman]

No, I mean that you then could only post the disinformation that the cabal wants you to post.

But information can always be examined objectively. Which means that the message is not dependent on the messenger. Only if I was trying to brainwash or manipulate people in deceitful ways would any form of mind control really be of importance.

I think it's more important to focus on WHAT is being said rather than WHO is saying it.

 

[Mojo]

No, the basic purpose of the thread is to examine if the lawsuit is real or not and if it's real then what kind of secret powers are we dealing with.

Or alternatively, the basic purpose of this thread is to make the existence of the cabal appear implausible, as Anders's secret controllers want.

 

[Anders Lindman]

And to do THAT you would need to supply more evidence than an out of context quote and assertions.

Why wont you do that, if it is your purpose? You seem to think "Speculate random fantasy" is the meaning of "examine".

Well, secret cabal means not publicly known. Do you expect me to turn it into a non-secret cabal? lol.

 

[Mojo]

But information can always be examined objectively. Which means that the message is not dependent on the messenger. Only if I was trying to brainwash or manipulate people in deceitful ways would any form of mind control really be of importance.

I think it's more important to focus on WHAT is being said rather than WHO is saying it.

We've done that. That is why people have conclused that you are posting disinformation intended to make the cabal appear implausible.

 

[Mojo]

Well, secret cabal means not publicly known. Do you expect me to turn it into a non-secret cabal?

Not if you are under its control.

 

[Moss]

And lo, I heard a mighty woosh as a lot of things just went way over my head.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Well, secret cabal means not publicly known. Do you expect me to turn it into a non-secret cabal? lol.

If you want to discuss it as an entitiy that exists you will need to supply evidence. How is this managing to confuse you?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Or alternatively, the basic purpose of this thread is to make the existence of the cabal appear implausible, as Anders's secret controllers want.

I always start with the assumption that all information can have been manipulated. So again, I think it's more important to focus on what is being said instead of who is saying it. To REALLY be sure, one has to really know it first-hand oneself instead of trusting secondhand sources.

 

[Anders Lindman]

We've done that. That is why people have conclused that you are posting disinformation intended to make the cabal appear implausible.

I'm not intentionally posting disinformation.

 

[Tomtomkent]

I always start with the assumption that all information can have been manipulated. So again, I think it's more important to focus on what is being said instead of who is saying it. To REALLY be sure, one has to really know it first-hand oneself instead of trusting secondhand sources.

Then why do you not post evidence that withstands scrutiny to show that the information is correct. What is being said could just be a lie, or meaningless, depending on who says it. If the random drunk, or numpty on the internet says there is a cabal, or takes a quote out of context and asks you to not worry about who said it or in what context, then that IS a manipulation.

Supply some source data in the form of viable evidence, or that post is meaningless gibberish. Why should we believe YOU are not manipulating data? Or posting honest sources?