Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[Craig4]

The 'Illuminati' is actually described very much the way listed by those points by many conspiracy researchers. So what I did was only to connect that already existing conspiracy theory with mind control as a mechanism that can explain it. Mind control on a subconscious level where the members of the shadow society act basically as mechanical robots without self-awareness.

Evidence for such a connection?

 

[Tomtomkent]

I mentioned MK Ultra as an example of evidence.

Well, see if you can work out why that doesn't meet the required standard.

 

[Tomtomkent]

The 'Illuminati' is actually described very much the way listed by those points by many conspiracy researchers. So what I did was only to connect that already existing conspiracy theory with mind control as a mechanism that can explain it. Mind control on a subconscious level where the members of the shadow society act basically as mechanical robots without self-awareness.

And you have evidence for this...?

Nope.

I will connect the Illuminatus to using Yellow Snow as a method of control.

 

[kevsta]

Awwww. And you were doing so well right up to the bolded sentence. It's almost like you've thought through all the solid reasons that your delusions are untrue and are ready to cross over to the light, but then said,

"So, the only conclusion is that unicorns flying Sopwith Camels are sprinkling pixie dust in our corn flakes when we're not looking."

quality line

some people just want to believe too much. I blame the X files

 

[Sceptic-PK]

"Secret power structure".

 

[Anders Lindman]

Produce evidence that MK Ultra ever successfully controlled anyone's mind.

"In a May 13, 1968 article in the Providence Evening Bulletin, [42] Estabrooks is described as a former consultant for the FBI and CIA, and is quoted as saying that, "the key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man's personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it." P. 162" -- http://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg

 

[Tomtomkent]

"In a May 13, 1968 article in the Providence Evening Bulletin, [42] Estabrooks is described as a former consultant for the FBI and CIA, and is quoted as saying that, "the key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man's personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it." P. 162" -- http://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg

Ignoring for now this is just a well-debunked story, and not actual evidence:

Right, so you know that YOU argued AGAINST my suggestion that aletering a persons viewpoint of their memories as being viable? You remember how you declared that was NOT what you meant? That you meant REPLACING one personality with a new personality and programming it to obey?

Read your own post again. It describes splitting a personality, to make somebody more likely to carry out your orders. Not wiping the old personality and injecting a new one.

Not direct control either.

It describes making an altered personality, split from the existing, who will be more compatible with your intentions.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Ignoring for now this is just a well-debunked story, and not actual evidence:

Right, so you know that YOU argued AGAINST my suggestion that aletering a persons viewpoint of their memories as being viable? You remember how you declared that was NOT what you meant? That you meant REPLACING one personality with a new personality and programming it to obey?

Read your own post again. It describes splitting a personality, to make somebody more likely to carry out your orders. Not wiping the old personality and injecting a new one.

Not direct control either.

It describes making an altered personality, split from the existing, who will be more compatible with your intentions.

How do you know it's well-debunked? And this is about programming an alter, not implanting childhood memories or anything like that. It's hardly possible to for example program several years of memory into a person.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Svali ( http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/category/multiple-personalities-brokenness/ ) had two parallel lives and she has gotten deprogrammed since then (on purpose by the secret cabal most likely or by some other powers). So now she remembers both lives! She has extensive memories of when she worked as a mind control programmer for the 'Cult' and also the memories from her ordinary personality.

This is an example of two separate sets of memories in the same person. Not memories that are false and have been programmed into her, but memories of actual events and activities.

The same with someone with lesser programming, such as a spy that has a mind control program that kicks in only at certain specific occasions. That alter will also build up its own actual memories rather than some false memories being programmed into the alter. So false memories are probably only used for shorter events to cover up gaps in a timeline etc.

 

[Craig4]

"In a May 13, 1968 article in the Providence Evening Bulletin, [42] Estabrooks is described as a former consultant for the FBI and CIA, and is quoted as saying that, "the key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man's personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it." P. 162" -- http://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pg

Nope, that's just another unsubstantiated claim. Is there anyone you won't be fooled by?

ETA: I'd suggest you read up on the efficacy of hypnotism and the debate within psychology as to whether or not split personalities even exist but since that's real science you're probably not interested.

 

[KDLarsen]

So I take it that Anders has dropped the Dragon Family idea and has instead latched onto some multiple persona CT instead?

 

[Mojo]

There is evidence of mind control such as MK Ultra. However, that's not the alter personality kind of mind control, at least not publicly admitted.

It's the alter personality mind control I'm looking mostly at. I have been thinking that the idea of an 'Illuminati' and other similar secret powers as doubtful because of:

1. The very long history of the secret power structure.

2. The lack of concrete official evidence for any monolithic secret power structure.

3. No whistleblower members have come out and been able to get the legal system to prosecute any secret power structure of immense size.

4. The ability of the secret power structure to work according to agendas and plans that stretch centuries.

5. The cold-blooded almost 'reptilian brain' and machine-like operations of the secret power structure seem beyond ordinary human traits.

6. The ability of the members of the secret power structure to infiltrate all forms of positions in society.

7. The effectiveness and coordination of large social control seems beyond anything an ordinary human organization would be capable of.

All these points become easy to explain with a shadow society that mind controls its own members generation to generation.

It is characteristic of conspiracy theories that the lack of evidence supporting them is claimed to be evidence of the conspiracy.

You have claimed that your conspiracy theory of world control can be tested using the the "ordinary scientific method". This is clearly not true, as your hypothesis is not falsifiable; any conflicting evidence is just dismissed as the result of the conspiracy.

 

[Anders Lindman]

So I take it that Anders has dropped the Dragon Family idea and has instead latched onto some multiple persona CT instead?

The secret society that uses mind control is very much about bloodline families where this type of mind control goes from the generation to generation. The Dragon Family sounds like a very probably candidate for such bloodline families.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Nope, that's just another unsubstantiated claim. Is there anyone you won't be fooled by?

ETA: I'd suggest you read up on the efficacy of hypnotism and the debate within psychology as to whether or not split personalities even exist but since that's real science you're probably not interested.

I doubt that you could find confirming evidence for this kind of mind control in public psychology or neuroscience journals for example.

 

[Anders Lindman]

It is characteristic of conspiracy theories that the lack of evidence supporting them is claimed to be evidence of the conspiracy.

You have claimed that your conspiracy theory of world control can be tested using the the "ordinary scientific method". This is clearly not true, as your hypothesis is not falsifiable; any conflicting evidence is just dismissed as the result of the conspiracy.

Yes, it could probably be tested using the scientific method. However I don't have the means for doing that so I just post information I find. For example, if I have understood it correctly, the individual kind of severe mind control will be discovered with brain scanning.

 

[Craig4]

I doubt that you could find confirming evidence for this kind of mind control in public psychology or neuroscience journals for example.

Which is to say there's no evidence for it.

 

[Craig4]

Yes, it could probably be tested using the scientific method. However I don't have the means for doing that so I just post information I find. For example, if I have understood it correctly, the individual kind of severe mind control will be discovered with brain scanning.

Which is also a way of saying there's no evidence for it.

 

[Craig4]

The secret society that uses mind control is very much about bloodline families where this type of mind control goes from the generation to generation. The Dragon Family sounds like a very probably candidate for such bloodline families.

Evidence for a secret society using mind control? Evidence the Dragon Family exists?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Evidence for a secret society using mind control? Evidence the Dragon Family exists?

The existence of the Dragon Family may have to be revealed for the lawsuit to be able to continue? And there is at least a lot of indication of mind control being real. Maybe even public evidence but I haven't researched that much.

 

[Anders Lindman]

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -- David Rockefeller - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller