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Patrick1000 said:
Oh my Jay, this one here is looking pretty grim. Here's my original post on the subject........


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7961262#post7961262

Here is what I said;

"We have 100% oxygen flowing out of our hospital feeds 24/7/365 with stuff a lot more flammable than teflon available nearby as fuel. Electrical equipment in and around ventilators that could "spark". You don't see us walking around on egg shells worried the ICU is going to blow threadworm."

Looks like I did specifically refer only to feeds and vents Jay. That said, and Like I said, just to be a nice guy, I'll take anything from your side at this point. How about a sign hanging up somewhere at a nursing station? Any takers?
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Sidebar, trivial in this context*, and not germane to the original question: does PTFE burn in the presence of cryogenic oxygen?

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*Aside from establishing your credibility.
 
Patrick1000 said:
A moment of truth is indeed at hand......
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Admitting your previous errors is a good idea...you can start by admitting that you were wrong about the LM lifeboat assessment that was done before A13.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
Suit yourself Jay, cannot wait to hear back about the "signage all around" as you like to say. Nursing stations, patient rooms, Telemetry wards, ventilator sites. Give me something. Doesn't have to be a wall feed, though that was my claim. I'll take anything from you guys at this desperate point to help you save face. DANGER OXYGEN!!!!!!

I am waiting for the SPECIFICS regarding reports on hospitals from your side. I have given mine. And stand by it. Any nurses out there, physical therapists, respiratory therapists , other docs, friends of Jay that might be able to rescue him here and tell us all about the O2 warning signs in hospitals?
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Its interesting to note what Patrick considers evidence. For him it's a statement. For us, we must post pictures.

I vote "aye" on the "Send me your contact information and let's take this to the next level."

Since you are so big on evidence Patrick, you have a chance for the motherlode. Put up or shut up.
 
SUSpilot said:
Although not posed as a motion, I second it. All those in favor?
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AYE. Until Patrick decides to confront those who he has insulted on this thread it seems futile to continue any attempt at communication.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Suit yourself Jay, cannot wait to hear back about the "signage all around" as you like to say. Nursing stations, patient rooms, Telemetry wards, ventilator sites. Give me something. Doesn't have to be a wall feed, though that was my claim. I'll take anything from you guys at this desperate point to help you save face. DANGER OXYGEN!!!!!!

I am waiting for the SPECIFICS regarding reports on hospitals from your side. I have given mine. And stand by it. Any nurses out there, physical therapists, respiratory therapists , other docs, friends of Jay that might be able to rescue him here and tell us all about the O2 warning signs in hospitals?

Looking pretty bleak for you there Jay, almost as bad as Apollo 13 itself.....
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Here's one from a company that sells hospital signage:

http://www.bodypartchart.com/product/no-smoking-oxygen-in-use-sign/

And several more from another, including door hangers:

http://www.healthcaresigns.com/oxygen-in-use-signs

How is it that these companies offer such signs if no one uses them?
 
Patrick1000 said:
Any nurses out there, physical therapists, respiratory therapists , other docs, friends of Jay that might be able to rescue him here...
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Nice try. You tried to make Tomblvd individually responsible for disputing your claim. Now you're trying to make me individually responsible for disputing your claim.

You are the one claiming hospitals take no special precautions against the increased concentration of oxygen. What proof did you offer for that except a straw man?

Looking pretty bleak for you there Jay, almost as bad as Apollo 13 itself.....
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I'm willing to entertain a poll on this question.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Oh my Jay, this one here is looking pretty grim. Here's my original post on the subject........


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7961262#post7961262

Here is what I said;

"We have 100% oxygen flowing out of our hospital feeds 24/7/365 with stuff a lot more flammable than teflon available nearby as fuel. Electrical equipment in and around ventilators that could "spark". You don't see us walking around on egg shells worried the ICU is going to blow threadworm."


Looks like I did specifically refer only to feeds and vents Jay. That said, and Like I said, just to be a nice guy, I'll take anything from your side at this point. How about a sign hanging up somewhere at a nursing station? Any takers?
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Pure Oxygen is a fire hazard and all this hand waving won't change that. How about you knock off the pointless diversion and take up the offer to be put in touch with Gene Kranz? For that matter why not answer the relevant question about whether PTFE will burn in cryogenic oxygen?
 
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JayUtah said:
Why do you insist on insulting, libeling, and generally denigrating the Apollo functionaries anonymously from a place of unassailable safety? I've handed you the golden opportunity to confront these men in person and claim your victory, reducing them to the "perps" you say they are. You claim your case is incontrovertible. Why? Again, let me vocalize; correct me if I'm wrong: You know that you wouldn't last five minutes in an actual encounter with any of the men you've vilified. And your entire fantasy world depends on their inability to refute you in a way that causes you any actual distress.

Prove you're right. Send me your contact information and let's take this to the next level.
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Although not posed as a motion, I second it. All those in favor?
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One more aye.

Put up or shut up, Patrick.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Here is what I said;

"We have 100% oxygen flowing out of our hospital feeds 24/7/365 with stuff a lot more flammable than teflon available nearby as fuel. Electrical equipment in and around ventilators that could "spark". You don't see us walking around on egg shells worried the ICU is going to blow threadworm."
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So your position now is that you didn't think PTFE could burn in compressed pure oxygen because you flood your workplace with the stuff and you had no idea it was a fire hazard.

Not very impressive.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Geeeeee Jay, how interesting, wonder what thread you are reading......Who pray tell would those hospital workers from your side of the debate be? We'll all want to be sure of the EXACT language they see being used at their own hospital's O2 wall feed sites and the EXACT language being used at their hospital warning everyone about the dangers of oxygen being used feeding those dangerous, soon to catch fire ICU ventilators. A fire could break out anywhere and anytime now. One might even hear about this on the news......

Funny, I cannot find anything to that effect going through this thread, a hospital worker or visitor from your side of the debate posting such SPECIFICS about oxygen warning sign labels. I wonder what our respiratory therapists are going to tell me when I speak to them about this issue tomorrow evening? Should be interesting. So much dangerous oxygen everywhere, and so many laws and regulations about this problem that your side knows everything about.

A moment of truth is indeed at hand......
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No-one gives a flying monkey about the exact language. That's your inane condition, constructed only to retrieve some sort of victory from the shambles of your original argument.

The statement made was that oxygen is a recognized hazard. In the news? Only if you LOOK FOR IT:

http://www.mdsr.ecri.org/summary/detail.aspx?doc_id=8164

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...1/22/effort_combats_fires_fed_by_home_oxygen/

http://www.khou.com/news/neighborho...burned-after-lighting-cigarette-98363494.html

http://www.portableoxygen.org/o2safety.html
 
Hans said:
As a mere lurker I add my AYE also
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This made me realize that in almost 160 pages and 7000 posts there hasn't been a single poster to come along and support a single statement written by Patrick. Heck even Anders Lindemann and Clayton Moore threads get a few posts of agreement (although it's usually one supporting the other).

Is this some kind of record?

The Thread of Ultimate Futility?
 
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