Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

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I have the picture from the NYPD museum. It says in it these quotes:

" fire temperature was so intense that it melted concrete like lava around anything in it's path"

" and a revolver embedded in concrete"

The picture will not upload to be viewed. However, like i have said, create a new e-mail (or give me a personal one I assure you I will not bother you) and I will send it and maybe someone else can post it.

I am not a liar or lying. I am willing to prove this by picture but need some assistance. Or simply call the museum and ask them if it's there.
 
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superlogicalthinker said:
I have the picture from the NYPD museum. It says in it these quotes:

" fire temperature was so intense that it melted concrete like lava and it formed to anything in it's path"

" and a revolver embedded in concrete"

The picture will not upload to be viewed. However, like i have said, create a new e-mail (or give me a personal one I assure you I will not bother you) and I will send it and maybe someone else can post it.

I am not a liar or lying. I am willing to prove this by picture but need some assistance. Or simply call the museum and ask them if it's there.
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You are a liar, because you post nonsense already debunked, and you don't realize you are posting nonsense.

If you claim there was lava, that is a lie. You are using google and forming delusional claims. Why do you google junk and post it without thinking or checking the facts? Why are you so gullible bofors?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273

Get on topic!
 
[You showed a video produced by people who ban people who disagree with them. When you post the truth at that idiotic video you posted and were fooled by, the BLOCK you. They are truthNAZIs, liars, who spread delusions too stupid for most, but repeated by you out of ignorance. You are gullible.

The video you posted is propaganda by Gage, it is dumbed down to fool idiots so they donate to Gage's one man travel club. You were fooled. You repeat lies and the lava lie is moronic. Why are you fooled by idiotic claims?

[You junk was debunked years ago. Are you too lazy to do rational research

Like I said...create an email. I gonna get it up dont worry.....but im not lying.
 
superlogicalthinker said:
... Like I said...create an email. I gonna get it up dont worry.....but im not lying.
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Learn how to quote people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273

read the thread, you lost this round, try again in 10 years after you get a degree in something other than failed google research.

It takes time to learn things, longer than you have spent using google. The internet is not safe, you have found all the lies, truth off your lie only filter.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273

Do you try to research the crazy claims you post?
 
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beachnut said:
You are a liar, because you post nonsense already debunked, and you don't realize you are posting nonsense.

If you claim there was lava, that is a lie. You are using google and forming delusional claims. Why do you google junk and post it without thinking or checking the facts? Why are you so gullible bofors?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273

Get on topic!
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Im not lying. It's in a museum. It's on topic because I am establishing temperatures which fire cannot account for to produce the ironrich microspheres.....which the RJ Lee group says were " created during the WTC Event"
 
superlogicalthinker said:
Im not lying. It's in a museum. It's on topic because I am establishing temperatures which fire cannot account for to produce the ironrich microspheres.....which the RJ Lee group says were " created during the WTC Event"
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YAWN!!! ok, that's enough repeat for one day. Evening Raplh. Evening Sam.:faint:

Be back tomorrow to drive this point home furthur.
 
beachnut said:
Learn how to quote people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Get on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273

read the thread, you lost this round, try again in 10 years after you get a degree in something other than failed google research.

It takes time to learn things, longer than you have spent using google. The internet is not safe, you have found all the lies, truth off your lie only filter.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105273
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LOL
 
superlogicalthinker said:
Im not lying. It's in a museum. It's on topic because I am establishing temperatures which fire cannot account for to produce the ironrich microspheres.....which the RJ Lee group says were " created during the WTC Event"
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That established you are gullible, posting lies. It is a lie that you established the temperatures which fire can't account for. Nonsense.

The WTC event, RJ Lee started after May 2002. You can't use RJ Lee to support your lie, his samples were all taken after clean up. Other samples of dust are not the same as RJ Lee. Which means you have to cherry pick to support your lies, instead of taking all the data. Using all the data makes your claims nonsense.

... Gage's moronic video, he has to block comments. TruthNAZI Gage, can't have people oppose his lies, so he blocks them, no Free Speech For People when it comes to Gage and 911 truth.


You think you proved 3,000 degrees, so you are on topic. I forgot you live in a fantasy-world where what you say is true.

In lava (in this case melted concrete, did you look up the temperature?), would the gun melt too?

superlogicalthinker said:
YAWN!!! ok, that's enough repeat for one day. Evening Raplh. Evening Sam.:faint:

Be back tomorrow to drive this point home furthur.
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You are posting to yourself.
I bet you will drive it furhtur, and furthur than any other truthur in history.

Further into the pit of ignorance, deeper and deeper. You are gullible. Did you take physics yet? Did you drop physics? Why are you anti-science?

Is iron-oxide sphere a iron rich sphere?

If I had all the super evidence of an inside job like you do, I would not sleep until I had my Pulitzer. Why are you not taking action? Why have you failed? Sleeping when you know 911 was an inside job? Not very urgent! You don't have anything, and you know it, or you would take action. Failed claims, and you got to go rest after googling up lies. Good night
 
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Apparently, something needs to be restated. From 2010:
ElMondoHummus said:
RJ Lee supporting molten metal? How many freakin' times does it have to be pointed out that the RJ Lee reports were issued before they had the benefit of the NIST report and during the period of time when steel melting was indeed considered a serious hypothesis? How many times do conspiracy peddlers need to be told that? In regards to whether steel melted or not, RJ Lee is superceded by the NIST report. The RJ Lee group merely presumed that molten metal was one of the reasons that microspheres were in their samples. They did not determine it. Do any truthers realize that the RJ Lee Reports (plural, BTW; there was more than one) were environmental impact studies that surveyed post collapse dust samples? That they were NOT definitive statements on how components of the dust were created! They were surveys of the components of the air in Manhattan after the collapses.
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And that wasn't even the first time we pointed it out in this forum. :rolleyes:
 
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SLT: I don't care about these guns embedded in "molten concrete", so I have just made some quick search to get some very basic info.

- A quite good picture of these guns is available here:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6107/dsc7411we0.jpg . It does not seems to me that a matter wrapping those guns was really melted/solidified, but rather somehow sticked to the metal, perhaps because of heating to quite high temperatures (some hundreds of Celsiuses, which could partially dehydrate and chemically change it); than some contact with water lead to some form of "mortar" or so. It would require some thorough analysis. "Caption" in NYPD museum can be simply wrong in this regard. I would get the similar results if I put such gun in the bucket with dense coarse wet concrete, pull it out and let the concrete harden (I think). High pressure was probably more important that temperatures during formation of these strange objects.

- This matter was discussed in JREF e.g. here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-105273.html (as linked by Beachnut above).
I especially like this post of Redtail: "ETA: And they put it on display at the New York Police museum! This proves that it was a cover up!!!":cool:

- Another discussion is on The911Forum, again with good remarks of Frank Greening.
 
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ElMondoHummus said:
The RJ Lee group merely presumed that molten metal was one of the reasons that microspheres were in their samples. They did not determine it
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Really? You know better than they do what they meant?
That they were NOT definitive statements on how components of the dust were created!
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This is a very definitive statement:
"iron and lead were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles."
Who are you to say that the RJ Lee Group is wrong?

Ivan Kminek said:
SLT: I don't care about these guns embedded in "molten concrete"
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You just will not accept any evidence that proves temperatures far in access of what office fires can attain.
 
Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't WTC6 a building that no truther claims to have been intentionally demolished using exotic incendiaries, and that no official statement claims to have collapsed from fires? Isn't that a building that burned severly, but was mainly destroyed by North Tower debris falling upon it?

Why would evidence of extreme temperatures in WTC6 (supposing that is what the evidence implies) inform us in any way shape or form about nefarious substances used by dark forces to demolish the towers? Who would waste large amounts of exotic incendiaries on WTC6 concrete, when there is no intention of demolishing the building, no evidence that it was demolished, and the concrete isn't structural and thus attacking concrete would not even help to accomplish demolishion?

Have Christopher7, superlogicalthinker, ergo Clayton or any of the other truthers who point to this oddity of the gun encased in what appears to be previously liquified (molten? dissolved?) concrete, ever thought this through? What does it mean in their minds? That the all-powerful, omniscient, perfectly effective NWO is superstupid sometimes? Or what? Please elaborate!
 
Christopher7 said:
You just will not accept any evidence that proves temperatures far in access of what office fires can attain.
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As I wrote, I don't care about this matter. It's anyway quite off-topic here.

Personally, I don't see any signs of melting on this "boulder". And it doesn't make sense to discuss it, when we have as "the evidence" just this photo - blurred at this magnification.

My "job" here on JREF are WTC paints:cool:
 
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superlogicalthinker said:
sheeplesnshills said:
No im sorry it says revolver brother. what is a relover made from again?
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A revolver is a type of gun!. And I have no clue what what a relover (sp?) is made of....is that some sort of sex toy?

And lastly I'm not your brother.....I have several of those and whilst they may not be perfect they look like rocket scientists next to you.......:D
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Christopher7 said:
Really? You know better than they do what they meant?
This is a very definitive statement:
"iron and lead were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles."
Who are you to say that the RJ Lee Group is wrong?
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Where do you think we said that? iron rich spherical particles are a common result of fires. Its you thats claiming that these are unusual, not us.



You just will not accept any evidence that proves temperatures far in access of what office fires can attain.
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Mislabeling an exhibit does not make it "evidence".
 
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Christopher7 said:
Really? You know better than they do what they meant?
This is a very definitive statement:
"iron and lead were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles."
Who are you to say that the RJ Lee Group is wrong?

[qimg]http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8669/meltedconcretecrop3.jpg[/qimg]

You just will not accept any evidence that proves temperatures far in access of what office fires can attain.
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Wow. A person with logic appears over night. Thanks for gettin that up brother! ;)
 
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