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DirkSteele said:
Yeh.. My Mum is 80? (or something..It would be imprudent of me to reveal her true age even tho she goes line dancing a few times a week... !! (happy birthday mother!) She was a child during the war. How many people in a population of 60 million in the UK are over 80? Less than a million.
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Three million actually in 2010 See here .
In 2010 people older than 72 lived through the entire Second World War, so we have to add their number also to this category.
 
DirkSteele said:
Ok I am wrong. How many are there then? Who lived through ww2. My bad.
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About 5 million in total (see my post above here).

I've searched for these numbers. Will you do the same for the 1 millions jews that lived through the holocaust?
 
DirkSteele said:
Yeh.. My Mum is 80? (or something..It would be imprudent of me to reveal her true age even tho she goes line dancing a few times a week... !! (happy birthday mother!) She was a child during the war. How many people in a population of 60 million in the UK are over 80? Less than a million.
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I see part of your problem.

WWII ended in 1945. Anyone alive then, by definition, lived through WWII. Which means that we are counting people ~67 or older.

And according to https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uk.html, unless you have some proof that unless there are 9,341,628 people between the ages of 65 - 67, your figure is way off.

Did you see what I did there? I referred you to an webpage which has some authority.

It could easily have been a book or something, but the point is you don't have to take my word for it.

This is that citation thingy for which I kept asking you. Not that, given your performance so far today I am hopeful you will be able to produce, but perhaps you will surprize me.

BTW, you can munge the URL should you choose to use the web, and someone will post the correct citation for you. So, for example, I could post h t t p s://w w w .cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uk.html if I were unable to directly post links.
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erwinl said:
Three million actually in 2010 See here .
In 2010 people older than 72 lived through the entire Second World War, so we have to add their number also to this category.
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Bloody hell! How wrong I have been!! 3 million out of 60 million.... sorry guys. I take back all that I implied. And more......
 
DirkSteele said:
Bloody hell! How wrong I have been!! 3 million out of 60 million.... sorry guys. I take back all that I implied. And more......
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Actually a bit more than 9 million out of a population at war's end of ~40 million -- or nearly a quarter of that population.

You're still trying apple and oranges.

So, roughly 15 million Jews (just in Europe) when the war began, less those that were killed leaves 9 million or so? What's 25% of that?
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Actually a bit more than 9 million out of a population at war's end of ~40 million -- or nearly a quarter of that population.

You're still trying apple and oranges.

So, roughly 15 million Jews (just in Europe) when the war began, less those that were killed leaves 9 million or so? What's 25% of that?
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And if his 1 million jews number would be right, out of these 15 million, then it would mean that we are missing a awfull lot of jews.
 
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erwinl said:
And if his 1 million jews number would be right out of these 15 million, then it would mean that we are missing a awfull lot of jews.
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Actually, zie said "millions", but ~2 million still surviving today is not out of line with the figures I gave. Bottom line: more Brits lived through WWII than Jews survived the Holocaust.
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Actually, zie said "millions", but ~2 million still surviving today is not out of line with the figures I gave. Bottom line: more Brits lived through WWII than Jews survived the Holocaust.
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He said 'over a million' in post 9545, so I took that to mean 1 million as in using only 1 significant number.
Either way, he proved the Holocaust himself. :)
 
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And if his 1 million jews number would be right, out of these 15 million, then it would mean that we are missing a awfull lot of jews.
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Roberto Muehlenkamp, in the link I posted back a page, went through this, quoting the Illinois Holocaust Museum IIRC to the effect that there were fewer than 300,000 Jewish Holocaust survivors, by their expansive definition, alive in 2004.
 
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Roberto Muehlenkamp, in the link I posted back a page, went through this, quoting the Illinois Holocaust Museum IIRC to the effect that there were fewer than 300,000 Jewish Holocaust survivors, by their expansive definition, alive in 2004.
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Ok guys.. I admit I was stupid and wrong!! Isn't that the point of this forum? You show us lesser mortals the wisdom of your ways? Blimey! Only yesterday I thought Judaism was a religion and not a race! Now I know how these Arabs became Caucasian... I was only talking about my mis-education at school. I did not learn much about the genocides carried out by us Brits on the Indians the Africans and the American populations. I do realise that humans are the scum of the earth (a mouldy slime) and I know that just one innocent death is a travesty. But thanks for the education. Down and out.....
 
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You show us lesser mortals the wisdom of your ways? Blimey! Only yesterday I thought Judaism was a religion and not a race!
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No one here has called you a "lesser mortal".

And Judaism *is* a religion. One which the Nazis *treated* as if it were a race.

And strangely enough, also institutionalized the concept of the Untermenschen.
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No one here has called you a "lesser mortal".

And Judaism *is* a religion. One which the Nazis *treated* as if it were a race.

And strangely enough, also institutionalized the concept of the Untermenschen.
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Oh. Was it only the Nazis that treated Jews as a race? Why were they given Israel? Why were they allowed to just shift those pesky arabs from the place of their birth? I also think it problematic today when I criticise the views of Islam.. in Europe I can be locked up for 'racial hatred' I get confused now about these issues. Please enlighten me... i.e show me the light!!! Light as opposed to the 'darkness' of human beings. Metaphorically speaking of course....
 
But I am convinced now... 6 million jews were slaughtered in WW1. And six million jews were exterminated in WW2 ... god only knows how many Jews have been slaughtered in WW3. By those muslims who want to create their own nuclear bomb... just to be equal to us. I guess you guys will give me the facts when you are ready
 
I don't think our resident deniers are going to be helped by this reinforcement.
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DirkSteele said:
Oh. Was it only the Nazis that treated Jews as a race? Why were they given Israel?
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Because they had been treated as a race, and slaughtered by the millions, and the world decided to collectively not let that happen any more.
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Why were they allowed to just shift those pesky arabs from the place of their birth?
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Because it was also *their* place of birth in most cases, and most of the rest they had bought and turned from desert to garden.
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Because they had been treated as a race, and slaughtered by the millions, and the world decided to collectively not let that happen any more.
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Because it was also *their* place of birth in most cases, and most of the rest they had bought and turned from desert to garden.
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'Their place of birth' 'desert to garden'? I suspect a religious viewpoint here. Yes?
 
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'Their place of birth' 'desert to garden'? I suspect a religious viewpoint here. Yes?
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No, a truthful one. Do yourself a favour and read a book. Pay especial attention to the parts where Palestinian Arabs were also offered a homeland, and that the partition was made on the basis of population.

Only ~18% of Palestine was owned by Arabs at that time, and yet, they got ~65% of the land. Jews held a clear majority of the citizens on the land which became Israel.

And if you doubt the desert to garden meme, take a look at the Jewish lands as they were in, say, 1900 and then again at partition.

But this is arguably off topic for this thread -- may I suggest you start a thread in, non-USA politics?
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