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Larry Silverstein explaining what he meant by 'pull it'

For every 9/11 fact showing proof that 9/11 was an inside job there is a nonsense lie spewed by those with their backs against the wall.

The end is near for neocon gang.

If Truthers consider Larry Silverstein's 'pull-it' to be a "fact showing proof that 9/11 was an inside job" then you guys are dam desperate for proof.. I mean really scraping the bottom of the barrel if you honestly consider this proof.
 
"...and they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

Yes, "pull it" is a demolition term.

Ten bucks says that the slingers of bunk, in any case,

1) won't be able to find a single reference where the phrase "pull it" refers to an operation involving pulling personnel.

2) will ever explain why an operation that, in the end, had no personnel in it would need to be "pulled".

But of course, as their last resort, they can always just claim another 9/11 "first".
 
If Truthers consider Larry Silverstein's 'pull-it' to be a "fact showing proof that 9/11 was an inside job" then you guys are dam desperate for proof.. I mean really scraping the bottom of the barrel if you honestly consider this proof.

It's merely a wake up call. It's not one of the many deal breakers.
 
Yes, "pull it" is a demolition term.

Ten bucks says that the slingers of bunk, in any case,

1) won't be able to find a single reference where the phrase "pull it" refers to an operation involving pulling personnel.

2) will ever explain why an operation that, in the end, had no personnel in it would need to be "pulled".

But of course, as their last resort, they can always just claim another 9/11 "first".

Larry means the fire fighting support was pulled. Claiming otherwise is delusional. You spread lies, idiotic lies plagiarized from a failed movement. Do you spread lies because you can't do physics? Why do you spread lies other people made up?

911 truth spreads lies. If their lies had been true, the Pulitzer Prize would be awarded to 911 truth for exposing the truth. But, 911 truth spreads lies. You guys win the Big Lie Award, like Hitler, you will go down in history as the biggest losers.

No Pulitzer for your big story yet? Better pull it. After 10 years of pathetic failure for 911 truth, it was clear, rational thinking was pulled from 911 truth the day before 911.
 
Yes, "pull it" is a demolition term.

Ten bucks says that the slingers of bunk, in any case,

1) won't be able to find a single reference where the phrase "pull it" refers to an operation involving pulling personnel.

2) will ever explain why an operation that, in the end, had no personnel in it would need to be "pulled".

But of course, as their last resort, they can always just claim another 9/11 "first".

I'm sure you will take this video out of context, but here the FDNY clearly say that the building will be coming down and to 'pull it back'. I can't think of anything specific off the top of my head, but the phrases 'pull back', 'pull out', 'pull the plug', 'pull it' seem nothing unusual when describing a dire to withdraw from a situation or commitment.



As for your second point, if the firefighters had indeed already pulled from the area, then why would have Daniel Nigro have made to call to Silverstein saying they wern't going to be able to contain the fire?

Finally, I have a question for you.

1. It was clear to the FDNY that 7 was going to be coming down, there are several videos with them talking about it, and how angry they were they had to pull back for so long instead of rescuing their fallen brothers from the rubble of the towers. With all this knowledge of the building coming down, with Daniel Nigro clearly in charge of the operation, and with Silverstein clearly stating "They" made the decision to pull, are you saying that the FDNY were in on 9/11, and are continuing to cover it up?

If not, then who? And what is your evidence for such a claim.

I will look forward to your response.
 
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The end is near for neocon gang.
- Clayton Moore, January 2012

The end is near for neocon gang.
- Clayton Moore, January 2002

The end is near for neocon gang.
- Clayton Moore, January 1992

The end is near for neocon gang.
- Clayton Moore, January 1982

And so on and so on, ad almost infinitum...

As I've said before, I used to be one of you people and from my own memory the end has been coming soon since at least 1995.

See you back here in 2022 Clayton. You're already well accustomed to failure so it won't be too hard on you.
 
I find it very strange that any self acclaimed "expert" on a forum word has so much more weight than the word of people that makes a living out of demolition.

Yes; pull it is a demolition term, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with explosives:

"Brent Blanchard, a demolitions expert with Protec, and contributor to ImplosionWorld.com, weighs in with his expert opinion:

We have never once heard the term 'pull it' being used to refer to the explosive demolition of a building, and neither has any blast team we've spoken with. The term is used in conventional demolition circles, to describe the specific activity of attaching long cables to a pre-weakened building and maneuvering heavy equipment (excavators, bulldozers etc) to 'pull' the frame of the structure over onto its side for further dismantlement"
Four demolition and engineering experts tell Popular Mechanics that pull it is not slang for controlled demolition. "I've never heard of it," says Jon Magnusson of Magnusson Klemencic Associates.
Ron Dokell, retired president of Olshan Demolishing Company, says the same thing. Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition, Inc. adds that the only way he can imagine the term being used is in reference to a process where the legs of a structure are precut and attached to cables, and then large machines are used to literally pull the building to the ground.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/is"pullusedbydemolitionsprostomean"demol

So does the "truthers" actually believe this was what happend? WTC 7 had loads of cables attached to it and heavy machinery that pulled it down? If so, I am sure there are photograpic evidence of it....?
 
Wow! In the red chip -thread I commented to Oystein, that if there ever was one single truther claim, that has mostly died away, it would be the "pull it". It is clear I was wrong! Too bad.

I'm interested in history, so to all the newer folks, here is how this stupidity got life:

The PBS documentary with Silverstein was aired in September 2002.

In June 2003 an article written by Jeremy Baker aka "Darkprints" titled "Disturbing Questions Surrounding the Collapse of World Trade Center 6 and 7" was released. This article discussed "pull it" for the first time. Later in August 2003 Jeremy Baker released another article titled "Silverstein, FDNY Razed WTC 7", which was the first article concentrating solely on accusing Silverstein for demolishing WTC 7. This August article was later mirrored on numerous sites, and caught the attention of the likes of Alex Jones. Alex reported the "pull it" theory in January 2004, and this is when the theory really caught momentum.

Thanks Jeremy! He describes himself as an independent journalist, a 9/11 events organizer and essayist living in Seattle, Washington.



 
Yes, "pull it" is a demolition term.

Ten bucks says that the slingers of bunk, in any case,

1) won't be able to find a single reference where the phrase "pull it" refers to an operation involving pulling personnel.

2) will ever explain why an operation that, in the end, had no personnel in it would need to be "pulled".

But of course, as their last resort, they can always just claim another 9/11 "first".

You’re wrong on both counts.

From Firehouse Magazine (April 2002) Deputy Chief Peter Hayden Division1 - 33 years FDNY interview,
Silverstein pull it comment (September 2002)
http://www.firehouse.com/article/10567885/deputy-chief-peter-hayden?page=2

"... but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse.
Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13,
and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to
collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about
three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2
o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long
because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of
fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just
one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the
collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional
collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the
Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of
surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to
pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
...
Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody
away from number 7— did you have to get all of those people out?
Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had
to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out.
There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with,
because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable
any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the
afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came
down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At
that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any
normal circumstances, that’s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing.
It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean
that’s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But
having gone through the other two, it didn’t seem so bad. But that’s what we
were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys.
We didn’t want to lose any more people that day.

Silverstein vindicated.

Your options:
1) Admit you were wrong and pay the ten bucks to Chris Mohr for his testing. Contact him for payment.
2) Weasel out of it.
 
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Has MM regressed 4 years to the bad old "pull it" days?

Say it ain't so.

You assume he got past those days to begin with.

That's the mystery. A year or two ago, after much debate, MM came round to acknowledging that rigging the building for CD on the day of 9/11 was not plausible; that it had to have been a pre-planned event (from his CT pov), and that it was originally intended to bring it down during the WTC1 collapse.

Now he seems to have reverted to the idea that CD of WTC7 was a snap decision.

I don't think MM actually knows what he believes.
 
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...Now he seems to have reverted to the idea that CD of WTC7 was a snap decision.

I don't think MM actually knows what he believes.
There is no legal requirement for trolls to be consistent.

BTW all this attempting to make an issue over use of the word pull. I think I should pull out of the discussion except I never joined it. Others may choose to pull away from the direction it has taken. Otherwise we may need to pull off some stunt to cause .....

...and the clowns try to read a single dishonest meaning into "pull" which in the true fashion of much English language, is quite context dependent.

Fortunately it's not a question of which group has the most pull to define the true meaning.
 
There is no legal requirement for trolls to be consistent.

BTW all this attempting to make an issue over use of the word pull. I think I should pull out of the discussion except I never joined it. Others may choose to pull away from the direction it has taken. Otherwise we may need to pull off some stunt to cause .....

...and the clowns try to read a single dishonest meaning into "pull" which in the true fashion of much English language, is quite context dependent.

Fortunately it's not a question of which group has the most pull to define the true meaning.

Yeah. And perhaps the mods will pull the entire thread?
 
He believes that "they" were behind 9/11, and will tie himself into whatever knots, at whatever time, are necessary to maintain that belief.
 
I find it very strange that any self acclaimed "expert" on a forum word has so much more weight than the word of people that makes a living out of demolition.

Yes; pull it is a demolition term, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with explosives:

"Brent Blanchard, a demolitions expert with Protec, and contributor to ImplosionWorld.com, weighs in with his expert opinion:

We have never once heard the term 'pull it' being used to refer to the explosive demolition of a building, and neither has any blast team we've spoken with. The term is used in conventional demolition circles, to describe the specific activity of attaching long cables to a pre-weakened building and maneuvering heavy equipment (excavators, bulldozers etc) to 'pull' the frame of the structure over onto its side for further dismantlement"
Four demolition and engineering experts tell Popular Mechanics that pull it is not slang for controlled demolition. "I've never heard of it," says Jon Magnusson of Magnusson Klemencic Associates.
Ron Dokell, retired president of Olshan Demolishing Company, says the same thing. Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition, Inc. adds that the only way he can imagine the term being used is in reference to a process where the legs of a structure are precut and attached to cables, and then large machines are used to literally pull the building to the ground.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/is"pullusedbydemolitionsprostomean"demol

So does the "truthers" actually believe this was what happend? WTC 7 had loads of cables attached to it and heavy machinery that pulled it down? If so, I am sure there are photograpic evidence of it....?

Are you serios?
 
Are you serios?

Of course I am serious, and so are these experts on demolition, Clayton. What`s your expertise (finding moronic and BS youtube vids not included) in demolition?

Feel free to elaborate what you think - and it would be nice if it was a wee bit more informative than your first reply to me.
 
Let's turn to a well-known Truther blog to see what Larry actually said, verbatim, and what his spokesperson, Mr. Dara McQuillan, later elaborated upon, verbatim.
The source is 9-11 Research's "Owner's Admission?" and the quotes are:
Larry Silverstein on PBS said:
I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.
And
Dara McQuillan said:
Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) conducted a thorough investigation of the collapse of all the World Trade Center buildings. The FEMA report concluded that the collapse of Seven World Trade Center was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the collapse of WTC Tower 1.

In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.

Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

In full context, it is totally clear that
  • The fire chiefs (unnamed, by the way; Silverstein did nor remember the name of the person he spoke with) called Silverstein to inform him, and THEY made that decision
  • Silverstein only agreed to the fire chiefs' assessment and decision, nothing more
  • The reason why Silverstein agreed the decision to "pull it" was correct was that a) "we've had such terrible loss of life" and b) they were not able to contain the fires anyway and were on the way to losing Building 7
Let's focus on that "loss of life" reason, and how it makes sense in light of the two competing interpretations of "pull it" as
  • Go out of Building 7 and cease any fire fighting effort
  • Go into Building 7 and demolish it
What's a fire chief's concern when they've "had such terrible loss of life" - when in fact they lost more than 300 fire fighters? I think there are basically 2 concerns, in the following order:
  1. Prevent any more loss of life
  2. Prioritize your activities strictly since you are missing over 300 men and are severely stripped of manpower. The highest priority for any fire fighter at all times is preserving lives.

So. If you want to prevent losing more men, and need to focus your decreased man power on highest priority activities, namely preserving lives (rescue...), you would never send any men into an empty building you deem unsafe, carrying in explosives and/or high-tech incendiaries, while pulling these men away from the rescue efforts outside of WTC7. You would put the lives of these men on the line, and at the same time these men would not be available to rescue any lives on Ground Zero. Soi "demolish an empty, unsafe building" would achieve the very opposite of your stated objectives.

However, pulling men out of harm's way at this burning, empty building, and assigning them to a rescue operation elsewhere, achieves both your goasl of protecting the lives of your men and rescuing vivtims.



There is not a shadow of a doubt who made that decision, why that decision was made, and what that decision was.

Not even the Truther blog that I quoted from believed this "pull it" meme. And apparently, that article was written before the draft of NIST's 7 WTC report was out in August 2008, 3 and a half years ago!!

Anyone who still believes Silverstein admitted to demolishing his building is so far down the rabbit hole, is totally totally totally hopeless. It makes absolutely zero sense to spend one more minute of one's life on such people and their drivel. That's why Clayton and ergo follow MM back to my ignore list. In fact I have made a decision to pull it: I will not discuss truthers at all who believe in pull it. I will not debate anyone who refuses to stick to a claim and present evidence when asked for without moving goal posts. I will henceforth limit miyself to replying to smart and honest people, or those who are honestly mistaken. This in effect means I will not debate any twoofers on this board, for there really is not a single twoofer on this forum who is genuine and not deluded. ozeco had it right all along.

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