Well, Nick had answered before I did, it turns out, and he himself, being as we agreed best qualified to clarify what he meant, wrote
It's a measure of your ignorance that you do not consider the possibility that I was alluding to the police battalions when I mentioned war diaries. If you'd read one recent overview on the Holocaust you'd probably have realised this since they all emphasise the use of different types of forces to carry out the killing operations.
Pretty clear to me.
We were talking about why the extermination of the Jews was so clearly and precisely documented for the Einsatzgruppen but nothing comparable exists for the death camps.
And Nick brought in additional information.
"War Diaries" in the context of what we were talking about can only refer to official or unofficial diaries maintained by members of the Einsatzgruppen or by the personnel at the death camps;
Wrong. Nick alluded to other units involved in the mass murder of the Jews in the east. The problem you are pretending to exist doesn't - and, now, three times you've exposed your ignorance.
Nick was probably trying to introduce ambiguous irrelevant information to avoid answering the question. It's also possible that he simply forgot that he derisively dismissed the notion of the Einsatzgruppen
While many things are possible, this is not among them. First, because Nick's sentence refers to 100+ units, which is not a characteristic of the Einsatzgruppen. Second, because Nick didn't forget anything but was, he thought, reminding you of other sources for the killings in the east. Third, because what Nick said is accurate and common in the literature, a sample of which he kindly linked to and which references precisely what Nick says he was referring to:
http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/defense/browning/420
The War Diary of Police Battalion 322 shows a similar transition. In early August its third company carried out executions of all adult male Jews but still spared Jewish women and children on its march from Bialystok to Minsk. Then the chief of the Order Police met with Higher SS and Police Leader von dem Bach-Zelewski in Minsk on August 29, and the following day Police Battalion 322 was assigned to a "thorough Jewish action" (gründliche Judenaktion) or roundup in the Minsk. On September 1 third company took part in the execution of the Jews who had been seized, including 64 Jewish women. The inclusion of Jewish women was justified by their alleged failure to wear the Jewish star. By early October the Battalion was shooting Jews "of both sexes" (beiderlei Geschlechts) without providing any explanation or rationalization.41
Once again the detailed statistics of Jäger's Einsatzkommando provide the clearest evidence of the transition. On August 6, 1941, Jäger was informed by Stahlecker that the latter had received "general orders from above that cannot be discussed in writing."42 Beginning on August 15, 1941, Jäger's statistics demonstrate a sharp increase in the number of Jews being shot and the inclusion of large numbers of Jewish women and children.43 . . .
On October 15-16, 1942, the 20,000 Jews of Brest, including 9,000 workers, were shot.54 The war diary and reports of Police Regiment 15 show that the Jews working in camps and on state farms in the region were also executed.55 The totality with which Jewish labor was executed in this region can be seen from a subsequent report of the military armaments commando. . . .
Nick was using what we call "common knowledge," which turns out not to be known by you. There is really nothing for you to do here, except to thank Nick for expanding your awareness of which units were involved in extermination actions in the USSR.
By the way, the Einsatzgruppen - and the other security units - had additional tasks to killing Jews, which I know I have explained twice already, and which for some reason you now ignore. Here
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7952430&postcount=9355 Nick underscored what I wrote about the tasks of the Einsatzgruppen - which included liquidating national leadership, intellectuals, communist party cadres and commissars, even the so-called incurables - and a variety of other tasks. You really are trying to take this discussion to a crude level - but why?
In any case, he still hasn't explained this anomaly. I predict he will continue to do so because the best explanation for all the evidence is that the Einsatztgruppen were fighting partisans. The death camps were transit camps. And there was no policy to exterminate the Jews.
Well, then, since you raise these points again, first, the Jaeger report never mentions fighting partisans, nor removing the Jewish population, but rather killing Jews to make a region (Lithuania) free of Jews. The onus remains on you to show how that report supports your claim. I find not a single passage or reference in the Jaeger report that can even be stretched to support your claim. (As an aside, it would be better for your case if you settled on what the Jaeger report is evidence for - fighting partisans or ethnic cleansing/population removal, both of which you've tried putting over.)
And, if the death camps were transit camps, we are back to the second issue you refuse to consider: where were the victims sent to after they transited through these camps, and what is the evidence for this movement and relocation?
You really should drop this. You just keep making matters worse for yourself. Not only have you reminded us of your failures to offer any defense at all of your anti-partisan and ethnic cleansing theories, but now three times you demonstrate ignorance about the types of units involved in the killing operations in the east and you invoke a "transit camp" thesis without any explanation.
You really should drop this, but, if it weren't so tedious, I would kind of want you to stick with it, as it shows your desperation and reminds us of the problems with your positions and of your inability - "I don't know and I don't care" - to support them in a reasoned manner.
ing hell were all these camps for?