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Alien ‘scorpions’ found on Venus?

Gord_in_Toronto

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Colour me skeptical but . . .

Are we still alone in the universe? Well, if a Russian scientist is right, a Soviet probe already solved one of humanity’s greatest riddles by discovering alien life on a neighboring planet - three decades ago.

*While generations of stargazers dreamed of little green men on Mars, a recently published article in the Russian Solar System Research (Astronomicheskii Vestnik) magazine says a Soviet probe may have actually captured images of alien life on Earth’s scorching sister Venus back in 1982.
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http://rt.com/news/alien-life-on-venus-485/

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I recently spent several fantastic days in the Mojave Desert. The area's pretty dry, but more steppe than true desert (American ecology terms are somewhat different than those of other nations). I still had to be careful around the cacti, sage, creosote, and other plants. Saw a handfull of lizards, a few ravens, and a roadrunner.

This is a non-trivial issue. Life requires primary production. It needs either photosynthesis or chemosynthesis. If this articles is correct, it's showing, in at least one case, animals. This is not what one would expect to see if one dropped into a random patch of rock on Earth. One would expect to see plants everywhere--or at least something capable of converting inorganic materials into organic compounds and energy. Drop into a steppe, a desert, a rainforest, it makes no difference. One gram of animal requires 10 grams or more of plant to sustain it. If we're talking a predator, it's more like 100 or 1,000 grams.

In short, the mere fact that they saw animals makes me think paradolia. If it were life, I'd have expected plants. I'm not ruling out a mobile terrestrial producer, but I find it extraordinarily unlikely, particularly given the desolation the probe was in.

Still, we should send more probes to Venus. Send some with video, so that we can see. Send some that float in the atmosphere, too--that'd be a great way to see if there are critters down there without scaring them. Balloons don't use poewr, after all, and don't necessarily land.
 
Dinwar said:
Still, we should send more probes to Venus. Send some with video, so that we can see. Send some that float in the atmosphere, too--that'd be a great way to see if there are critters down there without scaring them. Balloons don't use poewr, after all, and don't necessarily land.
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I may be mistaken, but I think visibility is extremely limited on venus, in which a balloon would have to be very close to the surface to see anything. But, if so, that would have to be a damn robust balloon, to withstand the temperatures and pressures near the surface of Venus.

Of course, I may be mistaken about the visibility issue, I'm just going by memory.
 
Roboramma said:
I may be mistaken, but I think visibility is extremely limited on venus,
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I know it is in the visible spectrum, but I can't tell you one way or the other about other spectra (spectrums?). It may be that other wavelengths are more suitable for that atmosphere, and that's hardly a unique problem--we have satellites around Earth that "see" in any number of wavelengths.

that would have to be a damn robust balloon, to withstand the temperatures and pressures near the surface of Venus.
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True. Maybe not a balloon, then--a glider, perhaps? It'd be short-term (couple of hours at most), but very useful. Maybe a satellite that can penetrate the clouds (not necessarily visually--even something like topography should work, if it's detailed enough).
 
At some of the upper layers, temperatures and pressures are actually quite comfortable from our point of view (although composition still leaves much to be desired). Maybe a balloon that hangs out where it's closer to 70F and has numerous probes/packages that it can drop off at various locations, while also sniffing the atmosphere for anything interesting in a more temperate zone.
 
Roboramma said:
I may be mistaken, but I think visibility is extremely limited on venus, in which a balloon would have to be very close to the surface to see anything. But, if so, that would have to be a damn robust balloon, to withstand the temperatures and pressures near the surface of Venus.

Of course, I may be mistaken about the visibility issue, I'm just going by memory.
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It shouldn't have changed that much. How long has it been since the last time you were there?
 
DC said:
wich pixel is the scorpion?
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Ya I haven't seen anything that grainy since a rap artist showed a closeup of copulation in one of his videos shown on Superchannel in Europe 20 years ago, and got away with it.
 
It actually looks like the circled object in question is in more focus than what's around it.

So obviously it's a flying scorpion.
 
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