JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

[Walter Ego]

Apparently Deconstructing Robert

[Oswald] ...was apparently sent to language school so that he could speak fluent Russian, then sent to USSR so that he could spy for the US.

Since it is now "apparent" that Robert's conjecture that Oswald was sent to a US government school to learn Russian is false, his further conjecture that Oswald was "sent to USSR so that he could spy for the US," which follows from the first conjecture, is equally false.

Oswald was a poorly-educated emotionally unstable screw up, hardly secret agent material. The KGB, who knew a thing or two about the spy game, wouldn't touch Oswald with a ten foot pole.

Vladimir Semichastny, former head of the KGB who handled Oswald's case:

Mr. SEMICHASTNY: There were conversations, but [the intel Oswald had to offer] was such outdated information, the kind we say the sparrows have already chirped to the entire world, and now Oswald tells us about it. Not the kind of information that would interest such a high-level organization like ours.

NARRATOR: Still, Semichastny conceded, the KGB considered recruiting Oswald as a spy.

Mr. SEMICHASTNY: Counterintelligence and intelligence -- they both looked him over to see what he was capable of but unfortunately, neither could find any ability at all...

We concluded that he was not working for American intelligence. His intellectual training experience and capabilities were such that it would not show the FBI and the CIA in a good light if they used people like him.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/programs/transcripts/1205.html

In addition to foreign language training, Oswald lacked even the basic fundamentals of espionage tradecraft, including photography and radio repair skills.

What else did Oswald go in for in his spare time [in Minsk]? He bought himself a camera, but he never did learn how to take pictures properly. He also bought a radio to listen to the Voice of America which was not jammed by the Soviets at that time. Incidentally, being a U.S. Marine electronics specialist, Oswald never did prove himself to be a handyman because when his radio went on the blink, he was unable to fix it himself. His friends did it for him, by simply bending back a thin plate.

Russian Press Digest Paraphrase of Sergei Mostovshchikov, "KGB Case No. 31451 on Lee Harvey Oswald", Izvestia, August 11, 1992.

To KGB counter-intelligence, this would indicate that Oswald knew nothing about simple radio equipment and, consequently, he had received no special intelligence training.

Back in the US, Oswald's couldn't even make up a realistic phony I.D. card despite having access to sophisticated photographic equipment at his job at the graphic arts firm of Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall in Dallas.

So much for Lee Harvey Oswald, Super Spy.

 

[Robert Prey]

Vladimir Semichastny, former head of the KGB who handled Oswald's case:
To KGB counter-intelligence, this would indicate that Oswald knew nothing about simple radio equipment and, consequently, he had received no special intelligence training.

So now, Walter cites the KGB for his Lone Nutter nonsense?? A step up from Posner?

 

[Robert Prey]

Here's Marina's testimony to the Warren Commission on Oswald's Russian:
...
Mr. RANKIN. Mrs. Oswald, can you tell us what your husband was reading in the Soviet Union after you were married, that you recall?
Mrs. OSWALD. He read the Daily Worker newspaper in the English language.
Mr. RANKIN. Anything else?
Mrs. OSWALD. It seems to me something like Marxism, Leninism, also in the English language. He did not have any choice of English books for reading purposes.
Mr. RANKIN. Was he reading anything in Russian at that time?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, newspapers, and nothing else.
Mr. RANKIN. No library books?
Mrs. OSWALD. No. It was very hard for him...

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm

I don't know how anyone can read that and think that he had a strong grasp of the Russian language. Nor claim that he apparently had training in the language, as you did.

The claim that his Russian was good comes from an FBI report and is apparently a conclusion of the FBI agent who wrote the report, it does not come from anything Marina told the Commission:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0388a.htm

Do you believe the FBI? I thought they (and their director, J.E.Hoover) were part of the conspiracy?
(Conspiracists always quote the FBI reports when it suits their purposes, but reserve the right to disbelieve anything that contradicts their beliefs. Prediction: Robert will be no different, accepting the FBI claim that Oswald's Russian was good, but discounting anything else he doesn't like).

Furthermore, note that his correspondence with the Russian Embassy was in English, not Russian (the "The FBI is not now interested in my activities" letter).

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0234a.htm

If he was confident in his Russian, and had a strong grasp of the language, why would he not write to the Russians who would read his letter *in Russian*?

From Charles DeMohrenschildt's manuscript published by the HSCA as cited in Livingtons' 'High Treason:
"Oswald spoke almost flawless Russian.and other Russians were amazed at by Lee's almost perfect command of the language."

vol 12, hsca, p, 153, 171

 

[Robert Prey]

Don't hurt yourself backing off your claim so fast.

NO. It is your mis-quote that is being corrected.

 

[Robert Prey]

So it's only conjecture by you! And you have no evidence of the assertion made originally that Oswald was 'apparently' trained in Russian by the US Goverment and then sent to Russia as a spy!

So it's not all that 'apparent', is it?

apparent:
1: open to view : visible
2: clear or manifest to the understanding <reasons that are readily apparent>
3: appearing as actual to the eye or mind
4: having an indefeasible right to succeed to a title or estate
5: manifest to the senses or mind as real or true on the basis of evidence that may or may not be factually valid <the air of spontaneity is perhaps more apparent than real — J. R. Sutherland>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apparent

Well, why didn't you say so to start?

You have the cart before the horse. Oswald planned to defect to Russia, so he tried self-teaching himself Russian from records, and then asked to take the test. He wasn't assigned to learn the language, nor was he assigned to take the test. Both were of his own volition.

That's what the evidence indicates. Anything else is simply idle speculation on your part (which you already just admitted when you said 'The entire statement was conjecture'), and has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.

Hank

PS: The "apparently" in your quote above pertains to the language school, as I read it, not to the claim he spoke fluent Russian "[Oswald] ...was apparently sent to language school so that he could speak fluent Russian, then sent to USSR so that he could spy for the US." You are now trying to claim the "apparently" in your original statement pertains to the fluent Russian part, as well. But if he didn't speak fluent Russian, then there's no reason to speculate he attended language school, is there? And it's certainly therefore not apparent that he did, as you originally claimed.

Poof! your whole argument just went up in smoke as if it never existed.

That's your own convoluted baloney.

 

[Robert Prey]

I think the only response necessary is a collective: Eyewitness testimony that contradicts physical evidence can be safely discounted.

First hand eyewitness testimony trumps all forged, altered, and missing evidence. Obviously.

 

[Robert Prey]

Gerald Posner, Journalist or Serial Liar?

Would you buy a used car from this man?



l. Posner Lies To Congress:
J. Thornton Boswell Exposes Gerald Posner's Lies and Errors in a Phone Conversation with Dr. Gary Aguilar.
Posner appeared before the Conyers Subcommittee on Government Operations in fall of 1993. At that time, he stated that he had spoken with Drs Humes and Boswell, who had performed President Kennedy's autopsy, and that these two men now agreed that they had erred in parts of their autopsy report, notably in locating an entry wound in the back of Kennedy's head 4 inches too low. Posner told the Congressional committee that Humes and Boswell thus now agreed with the depiction of the wounds seen in the autopsy photographs and X-rays. Dr. Gary Aguilar spoke with Dr. Boswell on March 30, 1994. At that time, Dr. Boswell denied ever Posner ever interviewing him. You can hear the taped conversation between Aguilar and Boswell in 8 short segments at
http://www.assassinationweb.com/audio1.htm

2. The Dr. Paul Peters Lie
According to Posner, Dr. Paul Peters accepts the WC's placement of the head wound. However, when asked about the wound for the documentary The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Episode one, 25:55), he said,
"I could see that he had a large, about seven- centimeter, opening in the right occipital- parietal area [i.e., the right rear part of the head]. A considerable portion of the brain was missing there, and the occipital cortex, the back portion of the brain, was lying down near the opening of the wound, and blood was trickling out.
As Dr. Peters gave this description of the head wound, he repeatedly illustrated his explanation by placing his right hand on the right rear part of the head, exactly where Crenshaw and McClelland locate the wound."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etgDxSUKLqc

3.The James Tague Lie
"On pages 324-325 of Case Closed, Posner put forth his theory that a first shot from Oswald in the TSBD window nicked the branch of an oak tree, separating lead core from copper jacket,with the core striking a pavement of Main Street and producing fragments which nicked spectator James Tague in the face. Posner includes three citations from interviews with Tague. In these, Tague is reported as having told Posner that he does not know which shot produced the fragments which nicked him--hence Posner's hypothesis is possible.
What Posner does not cite in Tague 's 1964 Warren Commission testimony. There, Tague says that he thinks that it was the second or third shot which struck him, although he is not sure. Far more important (and totally ignored by Posner) is Tague's statement under oath that he thought the shots came from the grassy knoll and not from the TSBD!
Dr. Aguilar talked with James Tague in late April, 1994. Tague denied that he ever spoke with Gerald Posner. (Recall that there are 3 citations based on an alleged interview with Tague in Case Closed.)"
http://ctka.net/posner_milam.html

4.The Harold Norman Lie
"... Harold Norman, a Dealey Plaza witness located under the alleged sniper's window. Norman did speak to Posner. But this witness told another writer, Walt Brown, that the information ascribed to him in Case Closed does not resemble what he actually said 'not by a longshot." -- Martin Cannon
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l28comp.htm

5. Failure Analysis Deceit
The following is a portion of a sworn affidavit of Roger McCarthy of Failure Analysis Associates. His company did work for the ABA when they did their mock trial of Oswald in San Francisco in 1992. McCarthy’s firm provided experts and analysis for both the defense and prosecution. In his affidavit, McCarthy writes: "There was not a conclusion reached by FaAA as a company concerning the issues of the assassination. Each of our teams did its best within the factual, time, and resource constraints to assist the two eminent trial lawyer teams to resolve the key issues for their respective sides." Significantly, he also added, "..there are gaps in the factual record that our analysis was unable to bridge." Finally, the affidavit concludes:
"Subsequent to our presentation one Gerald Posner contacted Dr. Robert
Piziali, the leader of the prosecution team, and requested copies of the
prosecution material, but not defense material, which we provided. Eventually
Random House published a book by Mr. Posner entitled "Case Closed". While Mr.
Posner acknowledges in the book the material from Failure Analysis Associates
he does not mention or acknowledge the ABA, or mention or acknowledge that
there was additional material prepared by FaAA for the defense. Incredibly, Mr.
Posner makes no mention of the fact that their mock jury that heard and saw the
technical material that he believes is so persuasive and "closed" the case, but
which also saw the FaAA material prepared for the defense, could not reach a
verdict."
"In early televised interviews of Mr. Posner that were witnessed by FaAA
staff, Mr. Posner made no attempt to correct any supposition by a questioner
that the FaAA analytical work was performed at his request for him, and
certainly left quite the opposite impression."

Further the affiant sayth not.
(signed)

Roger L. McCarthy

http://assassinationscience.com/mccarthy.html

6. Posner Plagiarism
The ulitmate crime for a journalist is to copy without attribution. Posner was forced to resign his position as Chief Investigator for the Daily Beast when caught plagiarising.
Author resigns from Daily Beast job in wake of plagiarism claims
Posted on February 11, 2010
MIAMI — "A Miami Beach-based author of several best-selling books has resigned from his job as chief investigative reporter for the Internet news site The Daily Beast following allegations of plagiarism.
Gerald Posner announced the resignation on his own website this week.
Last week, a writer for Slate.com reported that there were several instances in which Posner took material from Miami Herald articles without attribution."
http://qwstnevrythg.com/tag/gerald-posner/#.TwuFx6WXR2A

7. Gerald Posner Plagiarism: MORE Instances Found
"Now a new review of Posner's work shows much more. A 48-year-old Wisconsin doctoral student named Greg Gelembiuk has discovered Posner lifted 35 passages in two books: his 2003 take on the 9-11 attacks, Why America Slept, and Secrets of the Kingdom, a 2005 tome about Saudi Arabia"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/19/gerald-posner-plagiarism-_1_n_581567.html

8. Posner Sued by Plagiarism Victim
From Miami New Times
Frank Owen Sues Gerald Posner Over Plagiarism Charges in Miami Babylon
By Tim Elfrink Tue., Sep. 7 2010
"Back in March, we were the first to detail local author Frank Owen's charges that Gerald Posner had plagiarized dozens of passages in his latest book, Miami Babylon, from Owen's 2003 book Clubland. The case opened the floodgates on what looks like Posner's career-long habit of filching words and led the author to threaten a lawsuit against New Times over our reporting....Now the charges are headed to court -- but not on Posner's terms. Owen's lawyer filed a suit in New York this morning against Posner and Simon & Schuster, which published Miami Babylon, seeking damages for the alleged plagiarism. "What Simon & Schuster is doing is flat-out fraud," Owen tells Riptide."
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/09/frank_owen_sues_gerald_posner.php

9. Case Open
Other Posner lies regarding his alleged interviews with doctors have been covered in previous posts. An entire book entitled Case Open was written by author Harold Weisberg which challenged many of the outrageous assertions of Posner's book, Case Closed. Several people Mr. Posner claimed to have interviewed say they never spoke to him. Will Walter continue to cite this shameful charleton as his Lone Nutter Champion?

 

[Tomtomkent]

First hand eyewitness testimony trumps all forged, altered, and missing evidence. Obviously.

First hand testemony is highly flawed evidence in any case.

And as Robert has yet to supply any proof of evidence being altered, forged or faked... and has supplied evidence that was itself cropped and rotated. (Ie, edited) to misrepresent the facts, his statement is worthless. Why have you no evidence that the autopsy photos, back yard photos, polaroid or z film was forged, faked or altered Robert? Perhaps the poor lad doesn't have the sense to realise that claiming witnesses trump fakery when he has yet to prove fakery?

 

[Robrob]

So now, Walter cites the KGB for his Lone Nutter nonsense?? A step up from Posner?

Interesting you would dismiss out of hand a subject matter expert. Who would know better about LHO's activities while living in the USSR?

From Charles DeMohrenschildt's manuscript published by the HSCA as cited in Livingtons' 'High Treason:
"Oswald spoke almost flawless Russian.and other Russians were amazed at by Lee's almost perfect command of the language."

vol 12, hsca, p, 153, 171

Once again, you dismiss the expert (LHO's spouse) and accept the non-expert - simply because their fantasy agrees with yours.

It's interesting watching you backpedal from your earlier claim when presented with the evidence refuting it. There's no shame in being wrong. There is shame in being wrong and pretending you weren't.

 

[bynmdsue]

From Charles DeMohrenschildt's manuscript published by the HSCA as cited in Livingtons' 'High Treason:
"Oswald spoke almost flawless Russian.and other Russians were amazed at by Lee's almost perfect command of the language."

vol 12, hsca, p, 153, 171

Who is Charles DeMohrenschildt and why should we care what he has to say?

 

[Walter Ego]

Who is Charles DeMohrenschildt and why should we care what he has to say?

Actually, It's George de Mohrenschildt. He was a Russian émigré who befriended Oswald in Fort Worth in the summer of 1962 shortly after Oswald's return to the United States.

Of course since de Mohrenschildt met Oswald almost three years after Oswald defected to the Soviet Union, de Mohrenschildt's opinion of Oswald's Russian language skills is irrelevant to Robert's conjecture that Oswald was fluent in Russian before he defected to the Soviet Union.

Robert is grasping at straws. After years of self-study (started before he defected), and almost three years of total immersion and communicating daily with Marina (who didn't speak English), one would expect Oswald's Russian skills to have improved.


ETA:

As it turns out, the veracity of that manuscript (a memoir of Oswald entitled I Am A Patsy! I Am A Patsy!) given to the HSCA by de Mohrenschildt's widow and cited by Robert may be more than a little bit suspect.

De Mohrenschildt's mental health began to deteriorate in the 1970s. After four suicide attempts, his wife committed him to a mental hospital in 1976. He killed himself in 1977 shortly before he was to meet with an HSCA investigator.

The manuscript was included in the HSAC report with this preface.

The manuscript of the book George de Mohrenschildt was writing at the time of his death in March 1977 is included in this staff report as an appendix. In it de Mohrenschildt gave many details about his activities and associations, and perhaps most significantly, an insight into how he perceived his relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald.

The facts and information in the manuscript in many respects differ from, and occasionally boldly contradict, statements that were made by de Mohrenschildt to several Government agencies at the time of the assassination and other information that has been made public. While there is no longer any way to resolve those factual conflicts or to confront de Mohrenschildt with the discrepancies, the manuscript is, nevertheless, included here to shed light on at least how George de Mohrenschildt himself viewed those facts and how he wanted the public record to read about himself and Oswald.

And then there's this.

"Let's face it. I only made up the story [about Lee Harvey Oswald] because everybody makes a million dollars off the Kennedy assassination, and I haven't made anything. So now it's my time. "

—George de Mohrenschildt, quoted by Willem Oltmans

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,918809,00.html#ixzz1k3KAaxyA

 

[EventHorizon]

That's your own convoluted baloney.

You are the expert on convoluted baloney, that's for sure.

First hand eyewitness testimony trumps all forged, altered, and missing evidence. Obviously.

That would be true. Unfortunately for you, you have yet to prove that there is any forged or altered evidence. Obviously.

 

[Robrob]

Of course since de Mohrenschildt met Oswald almost three years after Oswald defected to the Soviet Union, de Mohrenschildt's opinion of Oswald's Russian language skills is irrelevant to Robert's conjecture that Oswald was fluent in Russian before he defected to the Soviet Union.

So either Robert is citing materials he hasn't actually read or he's being deceitful?

 

[bynmdsue]

Actually, It's George de Mohrenschildt. He was a Russian émigré who befriended Oswald in Fort Worth in the summer of 1962 shortly after Oswald's return to the United States.

I know, I've been around and can spit the lit, I was baiting RP into a fallibility of memory bit. No harm.

Love that quote from Time. George was one of the more honest swindlers. Too bad about the end, though.

 

[Robert Prey]

Actually, It's George de Mohrenschildt. He was a Russian émigré who befriended Oswald in Fort Worth in the summer of 1962 shortly after Oswald's return to the United States.

Of course since de Mohrenschildt met Oswald almost three years after Oswald defected to the Soviet Union, de Mohrenschildt's opinion of Oswald's Russian language skills is irrelevant to Robert's conjecture that Oswald was fluent in Russian before he defected to the Soviet Union.

Robert is grasping at straws. After years of self-study (started before he defected), and almost three years of total immersion and communicating daily with Marina (who didn't speak English), one would expect Oswald's Russian skills to have improved.
ETA:

As it turns out, the veracity of that manuscript (a memoir of Oswald entitled I Am A Patsy! I Am A Patsy!) given to the HSCA by de Mohrenschildt's widow and cited by Robert may be more than a little bit suspect.

De Mohrenschildt's mental health began to deteriorate in the 1970s. After four suicide attempts, his wife committed him to a mental hospital in 1976. He killed himself in 1977 shortly before he was to meet with an HSCA investigator.

The manuscript was included in the HSAC report with this preface.
And then there's this.

And note the quoter is William Oltmans. And here is what Wikipedia says about William Oltmans:

Oltmans was based in the USA in the 1960s, where he worked as a reporter for Dutch TV broadcaster NOS and established ties to president Kennedy's closest circle of advisors.[1] After US president John Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas in 1963, Oltmans interviewed the mother of accused assassin Lee Harvey Oswald: Marguerite Oswald. Further investigation led him to Oswald's babysitter baron de Mohrenschildt. According to Oltmans, baron George de Mohrenschildt, who had ties to the CIA, was the architect behind the killing. In 1977 de Mohrenschildt agreed to disclose information to Oltmans, but disappeared from their meeting place and was found dead in Florida a few weeks later."

Seems to me, you have endorsed an alleged quote from a true CT believer. Do you endorse him for that as well, or merely choose to believe what Time Mag claims????

 

[Robert Prey]

Interesting you would dismiss out of hand a subject matter expert. Who would know better about LHO's activities while living in the USSR?



Once again, you dismiss the expert (LHO's spouse) and accept the non-expert - simply because their fantasy agrees with yours.

It's interesting watching you backpedal from your earlier claim when presented with the evidence refuting it. There's no shame in being wrong. There is shame in being wrong and pretending you weren't.

Two paragons of truth: Marina Oswald and the KGB. Noted.

 

[Robert Prey]

First hand testemony is highly flawed evidence in any case.

And as Robert has yet to supply any proof of evidence being altered, forged or faked... and has supplied evidence that was itself cropped and rotated. (Ie, edited) to misrepresent the facts, his statement is worthless. Why have you no evidence that the autopsy photos, back yard photos, polaroid or z film was forged, faked or altered Robert? Perhaps the poor lad doesn't have the sense to realise that claiming witnesses trump fakery when he has yet to prove fakery?

*" Floyd Riebe, one of the two autopsy photographers, has stated that did NOT take ANY of the photos in evidence. The other photographer, James Stringer, stated in a taped interview that he did NOT take the photos of the back of the head, which show that area intact, contrary to the testimony of literally dozens of credible witnesses."

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/griffith/Problems_with_X-rays_and_photos.html

"The two most crucial conclusions are (1) that the three remaining autopsy skull X-rays
are almost certainly copies rather than originals—which leaves wide open the possibility
of alteration—and (2) that grave doubt is cast on the authenticity of several of the autopsy
photographs. Both of these results seriously undermine the conclusions of prior official
investigations. On this fortieth observance, I shall close with some personal reflections."

Dr. David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D.

assassinationresearch.com/v2n2/pittsburgh.pdf

And on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tnG6cdKfe4

Proven nine ways to Sunday, but we all know you will keep chanting your factually empty mantras regardless.

 

[Robert Prey]

You are the expert on convoluted baloney, that's for sure.
That would be true. Unfortunately for you, you have yet to prove that there is any forged or altered evidence. Obviously.

*" Floyd Riebe, one of the two autopsy photographers, has stated that did NOT take ANY of the photos in evidence. The other photographer, James Stringer, stated in a taped interview that he did NOT take the photos of the back of the head, which show that area intact, contrary to the testimony of literally dozens of credible witnesses."

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_cri...nd_photos.html

"The two most crucial conclusions are (1) that the three remaining autopsy skull X-rays
are almost certainly copies rather than originals—which leaves wide open the possibility
of alteration—and (2) that grave doubt is cast on the authenticity of several of the autopsy
photographs. Both of these results seriously undermine the conclusions of prior official
investigations. On this fortieth observance, I shall close with some personal reflections."

Dr. David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D.

assassinationresearch.com/v2n2/pittsburgh.pdf

And on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tnG6cdKfe4

Documented and proven nine ways to Sunday,

 

[Tomtomkent]

Two paragons of truth: Marina Oswald and the KGB. Noted.

The same Marina Oswald who you cite as the reason the backyard photos are fake? The one we are meant to believe when she said she didn't take the photo? Who you quoted repeatedly?

Noted.

 

[Tomtomkent]

*" Floyd Riebe, one of the two autopsy photographers, has stated that did NOT take ANY of the photos in evidence. The other photographer, James Stringer, stated in a taped interview that he did NOT take the photos of the back of the head, which show that area intact, contrary to the testimony of literally dozens of credible witnesses."

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_cri...nd_photos.html

"The two most crucial conclusions are (1) that the three remaining autopsy skull X-rays
are almost certainly copies rather than originals—which leaves wide open the possibility
of alteration—and (2) that grave doubt is cast on the authenticity of several of the autopsy
photographs. Both of these results seriously undermine the conclusions of prior official
investigations. On this fortieth observance, I shall close with some personal reflections."

Dr. David W. Mantik, M.D., Ph.D.

assassinationresearch.com/v2n2/pittsburgh.pdf

And on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tnG6cdKfe4

Documented and proven nine ways to Sunday,

Nope, that is a claim not proven. You know what you need for something to be proven?

Actual evidence. Not grave doubt, not opinion, not you tube, "leaving open the possibility", material evidence.

Will you ever supply any Robert? As it is getting real dull watching you try to pretend that claims, opinions or documentary evidence are material evidence.

If you cant supply proof, have enough dignity to say that.