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Whats wrong with Ron Paul?

Ryokan said:
Unless you happen to be outside the US, in which case liberal is the right word.
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So, "liberalism" outside the US means end social welfare programs? To prevent central governments from protecting the civil rights of it people? The cut off foreign aid?

Because those are all big parts of his platform.
 
Tricky said:
Ron Paul just wants to make the US one of the great Libertarian nations of the world, just like... um... what was one those great Libertarian nations again? Somalia?
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Minor little note:

I'm not saying whether Libertarian will work or not. However, I don't think you can equate a country like Somalia with being "Libertarian".

One of the basics of Libertarian is that while the government wouldn't necessarily have the role of (for example) providing welfare/health care, they at least believe in the government providing basic law and order for its citizens. At this point, Somalia is more of an anarchy, since there doesn't seem to be any functioning government capable of providing basic civil protections.
 
Tricky said:
Ron Paul just wants to make the US one of the great Libertarian nations of the world, just like... um... what was one those great Libertarian nations again? Somalia?
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Naa, think more industrial revolution. They read dickens and think that is the way society should work.
 
thaiboxerken said:
OMG... it's as if Paulites simply don't know about Ron's plan to destroy SSN, DOE, FDA, FAA..etc. If Paul had his way, we'd all be at the mercy of business in every aspect of our lives.
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Geeze... what could possibly go wrong?

I wouldn't mind having a chat with the guy, but President? Hellz no.
 
Donal said:
So, "liberalism" outside the US means end social welfare programs? To prevent central governments from protecting the civil rights of it people? The cut off foreign aid?

Because those are all big parts of his platform.
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Libertarians would be extreme liberals by European definitions.

In Europe (except maybe the UK), liberalism favors free markets, deregulation, privatization, free trade, civil liberties, globalization (both economic and cultural) tax cuts etc.
 
Segnosaur said:
Minor little note:

I'm not saying whether Libertarian will work or not. However, I don't think you can equate a country like Somalia with being "Libertarian".

One of the basics of Libertarian is that while the government wouldn't necessarily have the role of (for example) providing welfare/health care, they at least believe in the government providing basic law and order for its citizens. At this point, Somalia is more of an anarchy, since there doesn't seem to be any functioning government capable of providing basic civil protections.
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No, I'm not saying that either, but I'm hard pressed to find a country with a true libertarian form of government. The closest thing I can think of to make an analogy is "Libertarian=less government, so the less the government, the more libertarian." I know that analogy is not correct, but what else would you look for if you were trying to find a libertarian country?

And the question remains, if libertarian government is so good, why aren't there more of them?
 
Tricky said:
And the question remains, if libertarian government is so good, why aren't there more of them?
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Probably something about how the vast majority of people don't want anything to do with libertarianism, no matter how often Paul says they hate freedom.
 
Tricky said:
No, I'm not saying that either, but I'm hard pressed to find a country with a true libertarian form of government. The closest thing I can think of to make an analogy is "Libertarian=less government, so the less the government, the more libertarian." I know that analogy is not correct, but what else would you look for if you were trying to find a libertarian country?

And the question remains, if libertarian government is so good, why aren't there more of them?
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The best example that comes to mind is the U.S. under the Articles of Confederation or the Confederate States Of America, neither or which lasted long enough to see how well it would work.

I guess my point is, even if someone thinks a greatly reduced role of the central government is a good idea, it's not the government we have under the U.S. Constitution.
 
Segnosaur said:
I'm not saying whether Libertarian will work or not. However, I don't think you can equate a country like Somalia with being "Libertarian".
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Maybe so, but I think it points to a flaw in the Libertarian ideal, or at least that it more accurately equates with the states' rights movement our country has historically rejected than rule by laissez faire capitalism.
 
A brief summary of a Ron Paultopia:


  • Drugs are legal at the Federal level.
  • Abortion, however, is not.
  • There is no Federal Reserve and we are back on the Gold Standard meaning finance companies can do whatever they want and the only people in charge of currency volume are gold mining companies in South Africa.
  • There is no government assistance for housing, food, medical treatment or school for poor people.
  • Federal support for health care of any kind is also gone.
  • There is no Federal assistance of any kind for schools.
  • Federal support for roads and other infrastructure ends.
  • The National Park system is sold off to the highest bidder (presumably mineral extraction companies).
  • The airlines are completely in charge of all air traffic control and security.
  • There is no huge military so the price of imported goods goes up as pirates run rampant.
  • The USA has pulled out of the UN and dismantled its State Department so there is no coordination with other nations over trade security or anything else.
  • Doing anything about global warming is completely out of the question.


So if you are cool with all that then Vote Paul!
 
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Travis said:
A brief summary of a Ron Paultopia:


  • Drugs are legal at the Federal level.
  • Abortion, however, is not.
  • There is no Federal Reserve and we are back on the Gold Standard meaning finance companies can do whatever they want and the only people in charge of currency volume are gold mining companies in South Africa.
  • There is no government assistance for housing, food, medical treatment or school for poor people.
  • Federal support for health care of any kind is also gone.
  • There is no Federal assistance of any kind for schools.
  • Federal support for roads and other infrastructure ends.
  • The National Park system is sold off to the highest bidder (presumably mineral extraction companies).
  • The airlines are completely in charge of all air traffic control and security.
  • There is no huge military so the price of imported goods goes up as pirates run rampant.
  • The USA has pulled out of the UN and dismantled its State Department so there is no coordination with other nations over trade security or anything else.
  • Doing anything about global warming is completely out of the question.


So if you are cool with all that then Vote Paul!
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If Ron Paul wins, I'm going to become a pirate!:D
 
Brainster said:
Even a blind pig....
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But think of the people who are being groped by TSA agents! If a company sexually harassed its workers, The Market would take care of it. How many reports of sexual harassment were there before the government interfered, after all?
 
MNBrant said:
Apparently he wants to gut the military and, I suppose, put that money into something useful. West Germany did that after the war and they didn't turn out so bad?
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Cherry picking the man's beliefs is not a valid way to ask the question, what's wrong with this nut job?
 
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