Ron Paul and the 9/11 Truth

[Scott Sommers]

Over on another thread, one of our JREF friends commented about Dr. Ron Paul that,

Whether Paul is or not is very unclear. Don't get me wrong, I do like the guy, but his close relationship with Alex Jones and all his crazies is rather concerning. I've heard a few interviews with him and Alex Jones where Paul mentions the NWO by name several times, and I've seen interviews where people ask him to his face "why don't you come about the truth about 9/11?" and his response is "Because I can't handle the controversy ... I have too many things to deal with". Hardly the response of a guy who firmly believes the official story. Either he also believes it was an inside job, or he trying desperately to grab the votes of the crazies who do.

In fact, here's the video of Paul chatting with some of my friends over at We Are Change,

There are other videos of him giving similarly vague replies to questions from Truthers.

But Paul has a long history of hanging around with conspiracy nuts. Here he is chatting with some of his old friends at the John Birch Society,

and here he is with them talking about former member Larry McDonald - that is before the Russians and the Americans worked together to knock him off,

But it's not just that Ron Paul has a thing for Truthers and conspiracy theorists, they think he's a great guy, too. As Orphia Nay as pointed out,

On Remember Building 7's Facebook page they've got quite a few Ron Paul supporters.

and I have pointed out about the conspiracy group We Are Change, conspiracy nuts love Ron Paul. JREF friend Sword of Truth once speculated that Paul is a hard-core believer but fakes this because no one would vote for him him he confessed. In fact, I would I wouldn't be surprised if all those supporters of his that you hear about who have never voted before are the conspiracy theorists he's managed to mobilize.

So those are my thoughts on nutty Ron Paul. Ronny's a nut and should be avoided. Rand is just as bad, but that's another story.

 

[cjnewson88]

Personally I'd love for Paul to get into the whitehouse and find out there really is no conspiracy. I wonder what Alex Jones would make up to explain that one.. "Oh no the NWO has finally got to Paul, he had his family threatened so now he won't step a toe out of line and expose the NWO"..

 

[Orphia Nay]

You beat me to it, Scott! I was just about to start a thread asking "Is Ron Paul a Truther?" myself.

Here he is flat out denying a belief in an inside job:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/01/ron-paul-911-conspiracy-theories_n_1178492.html

And again:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b8e_1198029301

I definitely think he's a nut in other ways, but I don't think he's a truthy-flavoured nut.

I think truthers and conspiritards imagine he's a truther because it suits their agenda.

And I think politics freaks do the same thing. Maybe some debunkers do too.

Let's not get carried away.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Ron will deny it whenever he's asked by journalists and during Presidential debates, but even back in the 1990s, he was speaking openly to the John Birch Society. But it's not just 9/11 that he's big on. He also speaks openly about One World conspiracies,

and the dangers of the UN.


Americans are a strange lot. They practice a kind of politics that is unique to their kind. There are large numbers of Americans who may not believe all this conspiracy crap themselves, but view their belief as a kind of patriotism. This leads to the idea that someone who is conspiracy paranoid is a person you can trust. While they may not be right, they're at least out their holding the fort, just in case...The most well-known writing on this is The Paranoid Style in American Politics by Richard Hofstadter which I personally don't agree with, but it's interesting.

 

[cjnewson88]

hmm good post Orphia. I'm now leaning towards hes keen on their votes rather than their ideas.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Ron will deny it whenever he's asked by journalists and during Presidential debates, but even back in the 1990s, he was speaking openly to the John Birch Society. But it's not just 9/11 that he's big on. He also speaks openly about One World conspiracies,

and the dangers of the UN.


Americans are a strange lot. They practice a kind of politics that is unique to their kind. There are large numbers of Americans who may not believe all this conspiracy crap themselves, but view their belief as a kind of patriotism. This leads to the idea that someone who is conspiracy paranoid is a person you can trust. While they may not be right, they're at least out their holding the fort, just in case...The most well-known writing on this is The Paranoid Style in American Politics by Richard Hofstadter which I personally don't agree with, but it's interesting.

I've seen no evidence that he's big on 9/11 CTs.

He may believe in other conspiracies, but that's not the question.

 

[Orphia Nay]

hmm good post Orphia. I'm now leaning towards hes keen on their votes rather than their ideas.

Cheers, CJ! It's quite possible he courts the CT vote.

 

[Scott Sommers]

I've seen no evidence that he's big on 9/11 CTs.

He may believe in other conspiracies, but that's not the question.

There is no other major political figure in the USA who even talks about this. Arnold Schwarzenegger had his guards chase them away. This is the same group interviewing Paul when he said he doesn't want to go there.

Ron Paul apparently hangs around with them. I don't have the link, but there's a video taken from a hand phone where Paul is talking at a party of some sort with a group of Truthers where he makes comments about how he would support a new investigation 9/11.

He could shut this down in a second if he wanted to. He doesn't want the Truthers to stop talking to him. Ron is not a Birther and as far as I know, has never made a statement about this. Nor has he ever had strong appeal to the Birther crowd. But he does talk about 9/11 Truth - a lot.

Ron Paul M.D is also a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, as is his son Rand Paul M.D. They're a really fun bunch of guys.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Ron Paul apparently hangs around with them. I don't have the link, but there's a video taken from a hand phone where Paul is talking at a party of some sort with a group of Truthers where he makes comments about how he would support a new investigation 9/11.

In the Liveleak/GlennBeck video I posted, he talks about the government's "ineptness". He's quite vehement about it, but that does not translate to trutherism. This is his reason for wanting a new investigation, if he does want one.

But he does talk about 9/11 Truth - a lot.

I haven't seen him do this once, except to call it preposterous.

 

[The Platypus]

One of the many contradictions of 911 kooks. On one hand they rant how the US government, under a republican administration, was responsible for 911.

Yet on the other hand, their political messiah is Ron Paul, a republican congressman.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

JREF friend Sword of Truth once speculated that Paul is a hard-core believer but fakes this because no one would vote for him him he confessed.

I've said this because it's exactly what I did.

I ran for public office back when I was in full-CT mode. You can see my name 4th on a list of 5 candidates. During the campaign I stuck to the partys "mainstream" message and platform and I kept my unconventional beliefs under my hat (I've described here before on JREF my story of leaving conspiracism behind).

Ron Paul has a lot of wacky ideas, but he has more of them that he's not telling us about because he feels, as I did, that the general public isn't ready for them yet.

This is all speculation, of course. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Scott Sommers]

One of the many contradictions of 911 kooks. On one hand they rant how the US government, under a republican administration, was responsible for 911.

Yet on the other hand, their political messiah is Ron Paul, a republican congressman.

You can think of it as a contradiction, but it also makes a lot of sense historically. The Republicans are a coalition party between a group that represents Big 'C' Capital and our wacky fun-lovin' friends from Conspiracy World. Neither of these groups could win the Presidency by themselves. Figuring out how to incorporate the conspiracy nuts into the Republicans was a technical problem that was solved by Ronald Reagan, or at least during his term, leading to Republican domination of the White House since then. Conspiracy nuts today are fundamentally Republicans. All the major conspiracy figures from the Democrats following around 2006, have been run out of the party.

 

[MaGZ]

Wouldn’t it be great if we could elect Ron Paul president and declassify everything about 9/11?

 

[MaGZ]

Ron will deny it whenever he's asked by journalists and during Presidential debates, but even back in the 1990s, he was speaking openly to the John Birch Society. But it's not just 9/11 that he's big on. He also speaks openly about One World conspiracies,

and the dangers of the UN.


Americans are a strange lot. They practice a kind of politics that is unique to their kind. There are large numbers of Americans who may not believe all this conspiracy crap themselves, but view their belief as a kind of patriotism. This leads to the idea that someone who is conspiracy paranoid is a person you can trust. While they may not be right, they're at least out their holding the fort, just in case...The most well-known writing on this is The Paranoid Style in American Politics by Richard Hofstadter which I personally don't agree with, but it's interesting.

The only thing wrong with the John Birch Society is that they will not acknowledge the Jews were behind the Bolshevik Revolution and the communist conspiracy. The JBS are in fact part of the conspiracy.

 

[tsig]

Cheers, CJ! It's quite possible he courts the CT vote.

He's going for the single digit vote?

 

[The Platypus]

How can Ron Paul be a congressman and not part of the NWO or 911 being an inside job?

 

[Scott Sommers]

I've said this because it's exactly what I did.

I ran for public office back when I was in full-CT mode. You can see my name 4th on a list of 5 candidates. During the campaign I stuck to the partys "mainstream" message and platform and I kept my unconventional beliefs under my hat (I've described here before on JREF my story of leaving conspiracism behind).

Ron Paul has a lot of wacky ideas, but he has more of them that he's not telling us about because he feels, as I did, that the general public isn't ready for them yet.

This is all speculation, of course. Take it with a grain of salt.

Thanks for the info. While I am a naturally-born Canadian, I hope you can excuse me for not knowing a lot about what's going on with the Socreds these days. Looking through their Wiki, this does remind me a lot of how the Ron Paul/conspiracy freaks talk about their politics.

insists it is "neither a 'right-wing' nor a 'left-wing' political party", and that it opposes both "big business" and "big government".

Whenever I see this, the warning signs go up. These days, this is the code word for extremist. I've heard neo-Nazi skinheads say this.

Could be, though. I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. You watch those videos of him from the 1990s and he sure looks convincing. His campaign likes to talk about how consistent he is in his policies. But I am glad we'll never get the chance to find out.

How can Ron Paul be a congressman and not part of the NWO or 911 being an inside job?

The highest ranking elected official from the John Birch Society was, as far as I can tell, Larry McDonald. McDonald was also a member of Congress. He was killed in a joint Soviet-American operation to shoot down the Korean Airlines flight KAL 007. It's quite possible the NWO is planning something like this for Paul. McDonald was a Democrat.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I think truthers and conspiritards imagine he's a truther because it suits their agenda.

They like him because they see a lot of things he says as politically correct variations of their "hang/arrest those corrupt bastards" fantasies. They honestly believe that Ron Paul becoming President would usher in a sort of utopia. I don't know that they really believe that, or care if, he is actually a truther; they just believe that revelation of "what really happened" on 9/11 would be one result of a Paul Presidency.

But they completely ignore the fact that in order to implement his (or their) changes in 4 or 8 years, Paul would essentially have to take on dictatorial power. Or maybe they don't; maybe a semi-benevolent dictator is exactly what they want, and they believe Ron Paul is the only one who can wrest power from the rest of the corrupt government. That would be dangerous if true...

 

[leftysergeant]

I still believe that it is the white nationalists keeping Da Twoof animated in order to have more usefull idiots to disrupt public order. Ron Paul would also serve their ends in that there would be no central authority to respond to their uprising when it happens.

Of course there are the usual blocks of anarho capitalists and anarcho syndicalists looking for a way to tear everything down and rebuild it in their images. RP is just the man to help them do it.

Then there are the ones who see RP as the Messiah of legal weed. Of course, the fact tghat weed is still illegal has not kept them from indulging while they wait for their Annointed One to strike off the chains of guilt. They probably indulge enough not to notice that it takes more than just a sympathetic POTUS to bring about their millenium.

 

[Scott Sommers]

I still believe that it is the white nationalists keeping Da Twoof animated in order to have more usefull idiots to disrupt public order. Ron Paul would also serve their ends in that there would be no central authority to respond to their uprising when it happens.

Of course there are the usual blocks of anarho capitalists and anarcho syndicalists looking for a way to tear everything down and rebuild it in their images. RP is just the man to help them do it.

Then there are the ones who see RP as the Messiah of legal weed. Of course, the fact tghat weed is still illegal has not kept them from indulging while they wait for their Annointed One to strike off the chains of guilt. They probably indulge enough not to notice that it takes more than just a sympathetic POTUS to bring about their millenium.

I hope your serious about this because this is something like the conclusion I've come to. I now think of Truthers as Brownshirts, as in the Nazi paramilitary force they used to disrupt German society. Or at least they want to be Brownshirts. For now, most of them are losers unable to live up to the education they've received or their legacy as White men in America. They're just waiting around for someone credible to put a gun in their hand and point them in some direction.