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SOPA, change the implementation

Dancing David

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Many people and Google oppose SOPA as it is currently suggested to be implemented.

The contention of many people is that the bill penalizes providers rather than the actual culprits and perpetrators of internet 'piracy'.

So as someone who mostly supports the idea of SOPA (that there should be regulation to stop the varieties of theft and fraud on the internet), I am asking what would you do to improve the implementation of SOPA.

For those who are unaware:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

"The originally proposed bill would allow the U.S. Department of Justice, as well as copyright holders, to seek court orders against websites accused of enabling or facilitating copyright infringement. "

that is not the current proposal as I am sure it has been amended and is committee right now.

Here are the arguments against:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#Arguments_against
 
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Hello,
as today is the blackout day for those who protest SOPA, I am bumping this thread. I would suggest that there be a judicial review board of potential blocks.
 
Dancing David said:
Hello,
as today is the blackout day for those who protest SOPA, I am bumping this thread. I would suggest that there be a judicial review board of potential blocks.
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There are multiple threads on this in US Politics.

Judicial review before blocking would be better than the POS currently proposed, but the guidelines, if followed to the letter, would still block legitimate sites like this forum board. The only way sites could 100% control that no copyrighted material is displayed on their site is to disallow all use generated content, like this thread.

There is no lipstick for the SOPA/PIPA pig. It's a flawed concept from the start and will be completely ineffectual at stopping piracy. The only purpose of these bills is to abuse legitimate sites. Period.
 
I was not looking for lipstick, I thinking the bill needs to be reworked. :)

I try to be careful in the Politics forum, too many temptations for me to loose my balance.
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The bill should just be killed. Period full stop.

It's a censorship bill, plain and simple. It's not going to stop piracy except the really casual stuff.

This is simply the movie and music studios last gasp and trying to keep their old business models.

Copyright terms should also be rolled back significantly.

And BTW, I make my money from creating IP.
 
The supposedly intended purpose is to stop piracy by using DNS redirects.

That's impossible for a number of reasons. DNSSEC prevents it from working, typing the IP address instead of the domain name avoids it, HOSTS files also skip the DNS request process. It simply doesn't work. It CAN'T work.
 
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Dancing David said:
I was not looking for lipstick, I thinking the bill needs to be reworked. :)
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If by "reworked" you mean "completely misguided and should be scrapped", then I agree.

NewtonTrino said:
It's a censorship bill, plain and simple. It's not going to stop piracy except the really casual stuff.

This is simply the movie and music studios last gasp and trying to keep their old business models.
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This.
ehcks said:
The supposedly intended purpose is to stop piracy by using DNS redirects.

That's impossible for a number of reasons. DNSSEC prevents it from working, typing the IP address instead of the domain name avoids it, HOSTS files also skip the DNS request process. It simply doesn't work. It CAN'T work.
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And also this.

There are two aspects to this issue. The idea of digital property rights vs intellectual property rights and, assuming the latter trumps the former, how intellectual property rights could possibly be selectively enforced without impacting non-intellectual property rights issues.

SOPA/PIPA attempts to address enforcement and ultimately doesn't touch it in the slightest. It isn't an issue of implementation at all. If you want to eliminate digital piracy, you have to create incentives for people to not pirate and/or change social attitudes toward piracy. With the current adversarial atmosphere the record companies, game companies, and hollywood have created, good luck with that.
 
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With the current adversarial atmosphere the record companies, game companies, and hollywood have created, good luck with that.
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I think you'll find most game companies against this. We are currently moving to a very net centric model for gaming and user generated content is especially important. Some of the bigger corporate game companies may be in favor, but that's because they are stupid and haven't started to move to new business models.

Several game companies have already come out against sopa including riot games, 5th cell and others.
 
The problem with this is that sites can be shut down on accusation -- not conviction. That's the fundamental problem.
 
NewtonTrino said:
This is simply the movie and music studios last gasp and trying to keep their old business models.
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Complete BS. The studios have no possible game in this implementation except of course long term, which nobody cares about anyway

Motley Crue called and wants their conspiracy theory back
 
I honestly don't think that the big companies have thought this out.

Lets say for the sake of argument this is implemented 100% correctly, and internet piracy is stopped 100% with no loss to other websites.

You know who profit? The gents with 300 terabytes worth of media. Piracy goes back to local burned copies of movies, and now that people are actually paying for this, they are certainly not going to buy a copy of the film. Whereas , a lot of the time, folks downloading a film are also film buffs, so will actually but it after a download.

So instead of having the **** over system ( from their standpoint, but i do agree, it is harming them. ) we have now, with the silver lining of some folks actually still buying the films, they will simply put money in the hands of the very people they want to stop, and take that silver lining away from the scenario.

I agree with something like sopa, if there was a button to end piracy, by all means, push it. But, even working 100% correctly this is going to do more harm than good to the film companies.

When people are making coin off of this again, piracy, conventional, sneak into the theater, copy the rented dvd piracy, is going to skyrocket. And all of the issues that will go along with this.
 
Kill it. Nuke it. Put it in a rocket and launch it into the sun. And this goes for PIPA too.

This is one of the ugliest pieces of legislation I have seen in a long time. It is a "cure" a million times worse than what they claim is a "disease". It is a "coup" attempt to takeover Cyberspace. This would give way to much power to a few big players to control the entire Internet.

It cannot be reworked, improved or tolerated in any shape or form. It must be killed as soon as possible. Contact your representatives. If you're outside the U.S, contact the local U.S embassy.
 
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Here we go. Under "interests that support this bill":

Recorded Music & music production

(Yes, I know that's a different bill, but the Protect IP Act is just the Senate version of SOPA.)

Okay, so lets look up SOPA:

"Interests that support this bill:
Recorded Music & music production

The music industry is definitely behind this.
 
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