Rick Santorum is an idiot, a bigot, and morally inconsistent...

[Skeptic Ginger]

Presumptive logic. Most people are not proud to admit they engage in such activities, the current trend of closet coming out of, notwithstanding.

I don't see that you answered my questions:

What is your belief here? Do you think you cannot get HIV as long as you avoid anal sex even if you have unprotected vaginal sex with multiple women?

Do you believe everyone with HIV is at fault they contracted it?

I'm really not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[bikerdruid]

Presumptive logic. Most people are not proud to admit they engage in such activities, the current trend of closet coming out of, notwithstanding.

you seem to think that queers should be ashamed of who we are.
that is extremely presumptuous of you.

 

[jj]

Presumptive logic. Most people are not proud to admit they engage in such activities, the current trend of closet coming out of, notwithstanding.

Your claim, your evidence.

Please show your evidence, properly, in a verifiable and testable form, and do so promptly, to support what looks like a wild claim.

 

[RandFan]

Presumptive logic. Most people are not proud to admit they engage in such activities, the current trend of closet coming out of, notwithstanding.

Heterosexual activity often results in STD's, cancer, and other diseases and complications that result in increased mortality rates. Heterosexual sex is not sanitary and far from risk free. There is nothing inherently immoral with "such activities".

 

[tyr_13]

Presumptive logic. Most people are not proud to admit they engage in such activities, the current trend of closet coming out of, notwithstanding.

So... you're saying Tricky was correct then.

 

[Robert Prey]

I don't see that you answered my questions:

What is your belief here? Do you think you cannot get HIV as long as you avoid anal sex even if you have unprotected vaginal sex with multiple women?

.

"cannot get HIV"??? A slight exaggeration.

 

[Skepticemea]

you seem to think that queers should be ashamed of who we are.
that is extremely presumptuous of you.

I don't know. Sometimes bigots make me ashamed of being human, so perhaps others may feel equally ashamed to be of the same species as those they hate and fear.

Takes all sorts to make a world, no matter how some might wish we were all the same.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

"cannot get HIV"??? A slight exaggeration.

So, you retract your position and recognize one can get HIV from sexual intercourse both vaginal, anal and oral.

Did you ever have a point here?

 

[joobz]

wow...you only see what you wish, eh?
i said in my post that oral sex was much safer than anal sex.
many queers do not partake in anal sex.
i, for one, do not....and i know many others.
your continued ignorance, in spite of evidence, is astounding.

so what is your plan?.....elect santorum (not bloody likely) and criminalize anal sex, or just for queers?
do you deny that anal sex is just as hazardous for straight couples?
do you deny that aids is also transmittable with vaginal sex?

to follow up on this, Many heterosexual couples engage in anal sex. Homosexuality only specifies WHO you are attracted to. Not what you do with those people.

 

[Quinn]

Did you ever have a point here?

Having followed this entire thread, I too am utterly lost as to what RP's actual point might be. I can't figure out it he's simply against gays (no matter what sex acts they engage in), against anal sex (no matter who engages in it), and/or trying to make us all see that way more people are having icky gay anal sex than are admitting to it. Robert, apparently I'm not the only one who would welcome a simple, concise summary of whatever point(s) you're trying to make here.

 

[bikerdruid]

Having followed this entire thread, I too am utterly lost as to what RP's actual point might be. I can't figure out it he's simply against gays (no matter what sex acts they engage in), against anal sex (no matter who engages in it), and/or trying to make us all see that way more people are having icky gay anal sex than are admitting to it. Robert, apparently I'm not the only one who would welcome a simple, concise summary of whatever point(s) you're trying to make here.

ditto, dude.....
....robert, what in hell is your point?

 

[Robert Prey]

So, you retract your position and recognize one can get HIV from sexual intercourse both vaginal, anal and oral.

Did you ever have a point here?

A few posts or a few pages back some "Deep Thinker" made the ridiculous assertion that AIDS or HIV is just as easy to get via hetero vaginal sex as anal, homosexual sex. That misinformation is false. That's the point. Get it?

 

[joobz]

A few posts or a few pages back some "Deep Thinker" made the ridiculous assertion that AIDS or HIV is just as easy to get via hetero vaginal sex as anal, homosexual sex. That misinformation is false. That's the point. Get it?

Actually, I don't get it. After all, you are changing two variables simultaneously.

Let's do a Pundant square.

Hetero-sex/gay Sex(H/G)
and Vaginal Sex/Anal sex (V/A)

Please rank, in your mind, which is the most likely to result in the transmission of HIV.

HV, HA, GV, GA


If I were to rank the risk involved it would be
GV < HV < GA = HA

Do you agree?

 

[IDB87]

A few posts or a few pages back some "Deep Thinker" made the ridiculous assertion that AIDS or HIV is just as easy to get via hetero vaginal sex as anal, homosexual sex. That misinformation is false. That's the point. Get it?

I'd say the easiest way to get it is to be born with it.

A mother in central Africa that has HIV gives birth to a boy. The boy, through his mother, is born with HIV. The boy grows into a teen and becomes sexually active. The teen, through a lack of proper sexual education and little to no access to condoms, starts having unprotected sex with women. These women, through a lack of proper sexual education and little to no access to condoms continue to have unprotected sex with multiple partners as is the trend.

And so on and so forth.

You can easily swap out boy for girl and it still works.

Anyways, it's good to note that the number of HIV cases has been going down steadily for the past few years. The world should continue to promote and develop a system of proper sexual education in poorer countries as well as facilitate the distribution of condoms to areas that are experiencing epidemic HIV outbreaks.


Unicef Statistics on HIV. [PDF]

 

[bikerdruid]

A few posts or a few pages back some "Deep Thinker" made the ridiculous assertion that AIDS or HIV is just as easy to get via hetero vaginal sex as anal, homosexual sex. That misinformation is false. That's the point. Get it?

i don't believe that anyone has said that.
it has been pointed out to you, numerous times, that aids can be contracted in as number of ways, and that is is, in no way, 'a queer disease'.
also it has been pointed out to you that not all queers have anal sex.
and it has been pointed out to you, that straight anal sex is every bit as hazardous as queer anal sex.
now, just wtf is your point?

 

[cwalner]

Actually, I don't get it. After all, you are changing two variables simultaneously.

Let's do a Pundant square.

Hetero-sex/gay Sex(H/G)
and Vaginal Sex/Anal sex (V/A)

Please rank, in your mind, which is the most likely to result in the transmission of HIV.

HV, HA, GV, GA


If I were to rank the risk involved it would be
GV < HV < GA = HA

Do you agree?

If by Vaginal Sex, you are specifically referring to coitus, I don't think that GV is possible. However, if you change it genital-to-genital contact, then I would agree with your analysis with the slight modification

MGG < FGG < HG < GA = HA

 

[tsig]

And I no longer do.

I expect this thread is a net win for the guy.

Good day.

You'd be wrong.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

A few posts or a few pages back some "Deep Thinker" made the ridiculous assertion that AIDS or HIV is just as easy to get via hetero vaginal sex as anal, homosexual sex. That misinformation is false. That's the point. Get it?

For the record, this is where you started this sidetrack:

How about acts causing epidemic disease, killing thousands?

Then the doscussion went as follows:

So you want to outlaw all sex besides manual sex.

I understand the argument you're trying to make about anal sex, but it's still a fallacious one.

#556

[Lowpro]
What the hell...

You don't halt the spread of disease by trying to outlaw whatever sexual acts you don't like. If you were genuine in this, you'd outlaw all sex.

But hey, if you think hijacking the spread of disease as a means to stop whatever sexual acts you don't like, by all means I think you should be the first to stop having sex. When you decide to go celibate, let the rest of us know.

You've got some nerve...

Oh on a side note...who's porkin' a bag of blood?! What, do you view all humans as blood supplies now?! Seriously, what balls dude! Trying to get at sex by claiming it ruins blood supplies?! I didn't realize they let asylum patients use the computer -.-


[Robert:] "Too bad for Ryan White."

#557

[bikerdruid]
what sexual behavior is that?

[Robert:] "You know very well."

And so on until we get to

[Ryan White] probably got it from a heterosexual who contracted AIDS from heterosexual intercourse (statistically it's FAR more logical that I'd bet your life that it's the case)

Look Robert, you're obviously trying to wrap u AIDS with homosexuals, because of COURSE we want to get rid of AIDS, but YOU seem to want to get rid of AIDS and get rid of homosexuals, because you're lumping them into the same argument.

Again...balls sir...balls. Don't let the facts get in the way of your ideals, right?

And this post should have ended the discussion:

While you are correct to say the majority of HIV infections have been spread through heterosexual intercourse, less through homosexual acts and illegal IV drug use, Ryan White was infected from hemophiliac blood products collected in the US during the height of the homosexual HIV epidemic here.

Just want to keep to the facts. RP is still spouting a lot of bull here.

So, you would have been ahead at that point until you blew it with your continued posts revealing you really were ignorant about the relationship between anal and vaginal intercourse and HIV:

yes, but nothing that is exclusively queer sexual acts.
as i said before, there are many queers, myself included, who do not have anal sex.
oral sex is much safer than even vaginal sex, and manual sex is entirely safe.

so just what are you referring to?

Anal sex by homosexuals and to a lesser extent by a clueless woman with a bi-sexual partner or one that shares needles.

In post #611 you showed you'd misread my post.
Bikerdruid got it wrong in #622 but you continued to imply that gays and anal sex was the real issue with HIV and not vaginal intercourse.

The discussion went on:

Are you trying to claim that the ~8000 new infections in women from hetereosexual sex were all caused by the woman sleeping with a bi-sexual man?

And here we reach the crux of the issue:
In these next two posts you made completely unsupportable claims yet these are the arguments you later pretended you did not make and weren't defending:

I don't know what sample you are referring to, but in the US it's not sleeping with, but being an anal receptor, or sharing needles, or sex with open STDs or other sores.

So you were referring to world wide where anal sex is far more rampant for a number of reasons. I was referring to US stats where hetero is by far the lessor, and not caused by monogamous hetero sex but women who engage with a bi partner or share needles.

So, you can imagine you were saying whatever you imagine you think you were saying. We, OTOH, have the recorded evidence. You made these claims and have been unable to support them.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I would like to thank Robert for clarifying the mainstream Republican views on these topics.

 

[bikerdruid]

I would like to thank Robert for clarifying the mainstream Republican views on these topics.

that's a really disturbing thought.
i'd rather think that robert is an anomaly, or a deliberate caricature.