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The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

Is the Book of Job actually a science text? Here are Ross's assertions that it is:

a4) The Bible says light is in motion (Job 38:19-20). Science then said light is fixed in place. Again, I have no idea where he got this notion, since there's no attribution. Science today says light is in motion.

a5) The Bible says air has weight (Job 28:25). Science then said air was weightless.

Let's look again at what Job actually says about light (Job 38:19, 20):

Where is the way to the dwelling of light.
and where is the place of the dwelling of darkness,
that you may take it to its territory
and that you may discern the paths to its home?

Okay, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see in these poetic verses a scientific concept about how light moves. Perhaps we'll have better luck with Ross's assertion that the Bible say air has weight (Job 28:25):

When he gave the wind its weight,
and meted out the waters by measure;

The Hebrew words translated as "wind" and "weight" are, respectively, ruwach and mishqal, and they do translate one-for-one as 'wind" and "weight." Of course the winds having weight might well refer to their force. Yet, it's possible that the ancient Israelites did understand that air had weight. What then of Ross's assertion that everyone else tought that air was weightless? Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article on the pre-Socratic Greek philosopher Anaximenes (emphasis added):

While his predecessors Thales and Anaximander proposed that the arche, the underlying material of the world, were water and the ambiguous substance apeiron, respectively, Anaximenes asserted that air was this primary substance of which all other things are made. While the choice of air may seem arbitrary, he based his conclusion on naturally observable phenomena in the process of rarefaction and condensation.[6] When air condenses it becomes visible, as mist and then rain and other forms of precipitation, and as the condensed air cools Anixemenes supposed that it went on to form earth and ultimately stones. In contrast, water evaporates into air which ignites and produces flame when further rarefied.[7] While other philosophers also recognized such transitions in states of matter, Anaximenes was the first to associate the quality pairs hot/dry and cold/wet with the density of a single material and add a quantitative dimension to the Milesian monistic system.[7][8]

Considering the boldface sections above, that Anaximenes understood that air could expand and condense, and that heat and cold affected density, it would seem he, and the ancient Greek philosophers in general, understood that air had substance, hence weight - contrary to Ross's assertion.

I remember reading about an experiment performed by an Ionian Philosopher (c. 600-500 B.C.E.), who noticed that a divice used to get water from a narrow necked storage vessel indicated that air had substance. The device was a container with small holes at the bottom and a narrow tube opening at the top. As you dipped the divice in water it filled up. As you lifted it out you sealed the tube end with your thumb. Air pressure kept the water in until you removed your thumb than the water was released.

The Philosopher note that this showed that "air" was something, a material thing.
 
I remember reading about an experiment performed by an Ionian Philosopher (c. 600-500 B.C.E.), who noticed that a divice used to get water from a narrow necked storage vessel indicated that air had substance. The device was a container with small holes at the bottom and a narrow tube opening at the top. As you dipped the divice in water it filled up. As you lifted it out you sealed the tube end with your thumb. Air pressure kept the water in until you removed your thumb than the water was released.

The Philosopher note that this showed that "air" was something, a material thing.

Thanks for that. Looking up the Ionian philosophers, I found this bit on Empedocles from the Wikipedia article:

In a famous fragment,[38] Empedocles attempted to explain the phenomena of respiration by means of an elaborate analogy with the clepsydra, an ancient device for transmitting liquids from one vessel to another.[41] This fragment has sometimes been connected to a passage in Aristotle's Physics where Aristotle refers to people who twisted wineskins and captured air in clepsydras to demonstrate that void does not exist.[42] There is however, no evidence that Empedocles performed any experiment with clepsydras.[41] The fragment certainly implies that Empedocles knew about the corporeality of air, but he says nothing whatever about the void.[41] The clepsydra was a common utensil and everyone who used it must have known, in some sense, that the invisible air could resist liquid.[43]
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DOC, we're all waiting with bated breath for you to respond to the various posts that have appeared in this thread since your last appearance.
 
b6) how to control contagious diseases (Lev. 13:45, 46)

Here are Lev. 13:45, 46:

The leper wo has the disease shall wear torn clothes and let the hair of his head hang loose, and he shal cover his lip and cry, "Unclean, unclean." He shall remain unclean as long as he has the disease; he is unclean; he shall dwell alone in a habitation outside the camp.

Again, are we to believe that nobody but the Israelites isolated lepers?

Certainly not, they are funny looking and to be shunned by everyone for no other reason than the ick factor. As for doing so to prevent disease that's rather a contentious subject. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_leprosy_contagious

I knew that reading half a Stephen Donaldson book would come in handy one day.
 
In this case, and this thread, only, I think perhaps baited breath would be the correct spelling.

The whole thread is a little fishy, if you ask me!

Seriously, the concept of contagion appears to be something that even a primitive people could sort out.

If God had revealed something like germ theory or the concept of inoculation via holy books, that might get my attention. DOC's assertions, not so much.
 
The whole thread is a little fishy, if you ask me!

Seriously, the concept of contagion appears to be something that even a primitive people could sort out.

If God had revealed something like germ theory or the concept of inoculation via holy books, that might get my attention. DOC's assertions, not so much.

It seems that this brainless god was more concerned with not boiling a kid in its mother's milk and stoning Sunday workers to death.
 
It seems that this brainless god was more concerned with not boiling a kid in its mother's milk and stoning Sunday workers to death.

I don't know; maybe not boiling a kid in its mother's milk was based on practicality. After all, not that many mothers could provide enough milk in which to boil one of there kids. I mean, even kid in kindergarten might be to big.
 
I don't know; maybe not boiling a kid in its mother's milk was based on practicality. After all, not that many mothers could provide enough milk in which to boil one of there kids. I mean, even kid in kindergarten might be to big.

Yes, it was a primitive society, they didn't have milkmen back then.
 
I don't know; maybe not boiling a kid in its mother's milk was based on practicality. After all, not that many mothers could provide enough milk in which to boil one of there kids....

They could have bought more milk from the local shop, but they were all closed on the sabbath.

Except the 'corner' shop.

Hooray for the Sub-Continent and it's immigrants with their flexible attitudes to the EU Working Time Directive.
 
Yes, Ross provided enough info to keep people busy for awhile. If Ross or myself or anyone else made any mistakes interpreting something as a prophecy when it wasn't, that is our mistakes, not the bibles.

What does this mean, DOC?


A 95% correct translation might be all you need to understand. There are mediocre preachers, good preachers, and great preachers. Even a mediocre preacher can convert people. Even a bad preacher might give a rare inspired sermon and convert people .

Does this have anything to do with the thread, DOC?
 

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