Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[Anders Lindman]

No, for it to be evidence for your "cabal" it would need to be established that the cabal existed and was behind the conspiracy, rather than (to pick a random alternative that has been suggested) it being some sort of politically motivated conspiracy involving just the US Government. That's a lot more than merely establishing that there was a conspiracy beyond the conspiracy that the hijackers were engaged in, and you haven't even established that.

It depends on what definition of "cabal" is used.

 

[Mojo]

It depends on what definition of "cabal" is used.

How are you defining this "cabal"?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Do you realize that cell towers in rural areas generally have much greater reception ranges than cell towers in urban areas?

The reception of the cell phone tower is dependent on the antenna used. The directions of the cell tower antenna are sideways rather than up into the sky. Plus the signal from the cell phone would have to pass what is essentially a Faraday cage (the aluminum fuselage).

Do you have a reference to any scientific report supporting your claim?

 

[Anders Lindman]

How are you defining this "cabal"?

"n.

1. A conspiratorial group of plotters or intriguers: "Espionage is quite precisely it-a cabal of powerful men, working secretly" (Frank Conroy).

2. A secret scheme or plot." -- http://www.answers.com/topic/cabal#ixzz1jfMD9gik

 

[Mojo]

How are you defining this "cabal"?

"n.

1. A conspiratorial group of plotters or intriguers: "Espionage is quite precisely it-a cabal of powerful men, working secretly" (Frank Conroy).

2. A secret scheme or plot." -- http://www.answers.com/topic/cabal#ixzz1jfMD9gik

Those are just general definitions of the word "cabal". They don't answer the question.

I was asking you how you define the particular cabal you have been claiming exists. You know, the one you claim can compel the US government to go along with a conspiracy that involves thousands of fatalities in New York. That one.

 

[SpitfireIX]

The reception of the cell phone tower is dependent on the antenna used. The directions of the cell tower antenna are sideways rather than up into the sky. Plus the signal from the cell phone would have to pass what is essentially a Faraday cage (the aluminum fuselage).

Do you have a reference to any scientific report supporting your claim?

Your claim that it's impossible; your burden of proof. Further, most of the calls were made from air phones.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Those are just general definitions of the word "cabal". They don't answer the question.

I was asking you how you define the particular cabal you have been claiming exists. You know, the one you claim can compel the US government to go along with a conspiracy that involves thousands of fatalities in New York. That one.

I'm not sure there were thousands of victims killed. Some conspiracy theorists talk about the victims were fake, so-called vicsims.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Those are just general definitions of the word "cabal". They don't answer the question.

I was asking you how you define the particular cabal you have been claiming exists. You know, the one you claim can compel the US government to go along with a conspiracy that involves thousands of fatalities in New York. That one.

I haven't done much research about that. Here is a comment I found now that I did a web search:

"Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Phone_calls

And I remember that somebody did tests with using a cell phone from different altitudes and the result was that a call from the altitude they claim was made wasn't possible from that altitude.

 

[abaddon]

I haven't done much research about that. Here is a comment I found now that I did a web search:

"Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Phone_calls

How odd that you omitted the preceding and ante-ceding parts.
The quote in full is:
"After 9/11, cellular experts said that calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they were surprised that they lasted as long as they did. They said that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground.[155] Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.[156] Other industry experts said that it is possible to use cell phones with varying degrees of success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights.[157] Marvin Sirbu, professor of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[157]"
What say you about the last sentence? Why did you leave it out?

And I remember that somebody did tests with using a cell phone from different altitudes and the result was that a call from the altitude they claim was made wasn't possible from that altitude.

Some vague memory is not evidence.

 

[Anders Lindman]

How odd that you omitted the preceding and ante-ceding parts.
The quote in full is:
"After 9/11, cellular experts said that calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they were surprised that they lasted as long as they did. They said that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground.[155] Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.[156] Other industry experts said that it is possible to use cell phones with varying degrees of success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights.[157] Marvin Sirbu, professor of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[157]"
What say you about the last sentence? Why did you leave it out?


Some vague memory is not evidence.

I left out this sentence for the obvious reason it is a blatant lie: "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."

All phases of a commercial flight? What about in the middle of an ocean?

There is a massive coverup going on about the 9/11 attacks. And people who defend the official story either haven't looked much into it or are disinfo agents (or are simply trolls).

 

[Anders Lindman]

I will take a pause from this thread for a while until I find something new about the lawsuit.

 

[Craig4]

And what, exactly, in the official story is true?

That members of Al Qaida conspired, at the direction of Usama bin Laden to hijack four planes and crash them into buildings obviously. You've done nothing to call into question that explanation.

 

[Craig4]

So the impossible (from too high altitude to reach cell phone towers) cell phone calls made from the alleged hijacked planes were real?

Your failings of reason have been explained to you on this point so many times that for you to bring it up after being so educated smacks of dishonesty.

 

[Craig4]

I haven't done much research about that. snip

No point in reading further. This is why your work just isn't good enough. Stick to your silly little fantasy law suit. The topic of 9/11 deserves better than the likes of you.

 

[Sceptic-PK]

I left out this sentence for the obvious reason it is a blatant lie: "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."

So you’re disagreeing with your own source. Priceless.

 

[Robrob]

I left out this sentence for the obvious reason it is a blatant lie: "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."

All phases of a commercial flight? What about in the middle of an ocean?

What oceans did the hijacked flights cross on 9/11?

There is a massive coverup going on about the 9/11 attacks. And people who defend the official story either haven't looked much into it or are disinfo agents (or are simply trolls).

Or simply normal people who know a loon when then see him?

I will take a pause from this thread for a while until I find something new about the lawsuit.

Uh, yeah. A normal person might simply admit they were wrong...

 

[KDLarsen]

Erhm, the 9/11 Forum is that-a-way. This thread is about a made up persona, stealing made up bonds, owned by a made up family, clearly there's no need to derail it

 

[Mojo]

I'm not sure there were thousands of victims killed. Some conspiracy theorists talk about the victims were fake, so-called vicsims.

I haven't done much research about that. Here is a comment I found now that I did a web search:

"Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#Phone_calls

And I remember that somebody did tests with using a cell phone from different altitudes and the result was that a call from the altitude they claim was made wasn't possible from that altitude.

Neither of these responses is anything to do with the question I asked.

You claim that there is some sort of "cabal" ruling the Western world. You suggested that this "cabal" was responsible for 9/11, and claimed that if the "official story" was not correct it would be evidence for the existence of this "cabal". Then, when it was pointed out that a conspiracy internal to the US government would not be evidence for your international "cabal", even if its existence might mean that the "official story" was wrong, you tried to move the goalposts by saying that it "depends on what definition of "cabal" is used."

Sometimes you claim that your "cabal" is international, involving (for example) the Vatican and ruling the whole Western world, and sometimes you imply that it is internal to the US government. It can't be both.

Describe the "cabal" that you claim exists.

 

[Mojo]

I left out this sentence for the obvious reason it is a blatant lie: "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."

See Critic's Choice:

And then there is “What an evening in the theatre!”, remember that one, Daily Herald ? Oh yes. “What an evening in the theatre!”, yes. We had to cut out the word “atrocious”, we didn't feel it was fulfilling any useful purpose, so we put a few exclamation marks in instead.

 

[kevsta]

Describe the "cabal" that you claim exists.

well, if it's the cabal that is implied by this lawsuit, I think they might be aliens (who are clearly international) but apparently those filing the lawsuit aren't aware of the alien connection, only detective Wilcox has worked this out for them.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1022-lawsuit-end-tyranny-ii

In Part Three, which I will release as soon as possible, I will return to our central theme, which is far more documentable -- how the "Illuminati" tried to double-cross the Celestials, created a worldwide magic printing press, and almost succeeded.

TO BE CONTINUED -- IN PART THREE!

[DISCLAIMER: Bear in mind that Keenan and Scott, those named in the trillion-dollar lawsuit, are unaware of the information provided by JL. I do not wish to damage their credibility in any way. They have no knowledge of extraterrestrials that I am aware of.