When will the AE911 petition finally reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

When will the AE911 petition reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

  • 20 years

    Votes: 3 1.4%

  • 50 years

    Votes: 2 0.9%

  • Never

    Votes: 80 36.4%

  • Who cares?….it's retarded anyway.....

    Votes: 135 61.4%
  • Total voters
    220
Checked again with the AE911T stats - there was after all an update on the number of A&E who filled out that pathetic form.

dec 18: 1642 architecture and engineering professionals.
nov 22: 1637 (first reported; no increase as off dec 2 and dec 14)


That's an increase of 5 in 26 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1637 A&E once every 23.3 years.

They are really working forcefully to get the word out and persuading the industry experts! :p


For the record - the number of "Other Supporters":
dec 02: 13,985
dec 18: 14,105
That's 1 new OS per existing OS once every 5.1 years. Seems like very few of these other supporters do anything at all to convince others - but at least Gages nonsense has more traction among non-experts than among experts. Does this worry him?




And another number to track now: On the left hand, they are calling for donations towards "Editing and Marketing of ESO & BFT Euro DVDs". The goal is US$ 13,500 by january 12, 2012. Currently they are at:
dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
ETA:
dec 14: US$ 346.11 (6 donations) - and campaign then running through only dec 18th :D

At this pace, they'll reach their goal in 64 days. Jan 12 is only 25 days away. Hmmm.
 
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Oystein said:
And another number to track now: On the left hand, they are calling for donations towards "Editing and Marketing of ESO & BFT Euro DVDs". The goal is US$ 13,500 by january 12, 2012. Currently they are at:
dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
ETA:
dec 14: US$ 346.11 (6 donations) - and campaign then running through only dec 18th :D

At this pace, they'll reach their goal in 64 days. Jan 12 is only 25 days away. Hmmm.
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It's funny, I'm still showing $346.11 with eight hours left.

:confused:
 
While skeptics are saying, "Ha, ha, he tried to raise $13.5K and only got $346," Gage is saying, "Woot! $346 of free money! Night on the town!"

That's known as win-win.
 
I don't believe this needs a new thread but, is Gages petition still valid?

Please Take Notice That:

On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned
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This petition was written before the release of NCSTAR 1-9 that includes an investigation into a "Hypothetical Blast Scenarios".(Appendix D).

What has Gage done to verify that the signers for the year and a half before the release of the NIST report and signers after are aware that an investigation has been done?

This (bold) part needs to be reworded such as "The Undersigned also disagrees with the investigation into use of explosives that have been done to date".

Gage needs to start over!
 
Oystein said:
Checked again with the AE911T stats - there was after all an update on the number of A&E who filled out that pathetic form.
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Update January 4th 2012:

Oystein said:
dec 18: 1642 architecture and engineering professionals.
nov 22: 1637 (first reported; no increase as off dec 2 and dec 14)

That's an increase of 5 in 26 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1637 A&E once every 23.3 years...
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dec 18: 1642
jan 04: 1647
5 new signatures in 17 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1642 A&E once every 15.3 years

Oystein said:
For the record - the number of "Other Supporters":
dec 02: 13,985
dec 18: 14,105
That's 1 new OS per existing OS once every 5.1 years. Seems like very few of these other supporters do anything at all to convince others - but at least Gages nonsense has more traction among non-experts than among experts. Does this worry him?
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dec 18: 14,105
jan 04: 14,179
74 new signatures in 17 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,105 OS once every 8.9 years


Oystein said:
And another number to track now: On the left hand, they are calling for donations towards "Editing and Marketing of ESO & BFT Euro DVDs". The goal is US$ 13,500 by january 12, 2012. Currently they are at:
dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
ETA:
dec 14: US$ 346.11 (6 donations) - and campaign then running through only dec 18th :D

At this pace, they'll reach their goal in 64 days. Jan 12 is only 25 days away. Hmmm.
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dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
jan 04: US$ 3,625.11 (44 donations)
still running till jan 12th (8 days to go).

That's 3,076 in 17 days. or 181 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 55 days (feb 28th).
 
LSSBB said:
In the comments to the notice a heroic debunker named Albury Smith has been fending off the truther hoards.
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That Daniel Noel guy is a complete joke. I love how he shows the side that isn't facing the collapsed WTC to further his point that WTC7 was unaffected.
 
I just searched through several threads and websites and looked for historical figures of how many A&E had signed the "Petition" at what date. From this, I calculated average exponential and linear growth rate through several phases:
  • Second column is the number of A&E professionals who had signed
  • Third column is the time intervall in days since the previous line.
  • The fourth column shows how many A&E signed up on average per day during that time intervall (linear growth rate).
  • The last column is the exponential growth rate per year. It expresses how many new members sign up annually per every existing member.
Date|A&E|days|signers/day|growth rate
30.05.07:|83|||
27.12.07:|231|211|0,701|488,18%
17.01.10:|1000|752|1,023|103,75%
18.09.11:|1579|609|0,951|31,52%
12.01.12:|1655|116|0,655|15,95%

The first line is the end of the month when AE911T started. That number included a fair amount of fake and fun names that were later deleted.
The second line represents the first year - AE911T was off to a somwhat slow start
The third line represents the time till reaching full juggernaut strength - we can call this the heyday of AE911T. They had more than one A&E per day then.
The fourth line goes to about the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Linear growth rate is still near 1/day.
The last line shows AE911T growth in decline since the 10th anniversary.

It is noteworthy that the growth was linear for most of the time, not exponential, indicationg that the bulk of the signers did NOT spread the information. Recently, even linear growth has been down, indicating that maybe the pool of potential signers ("the lunatic fringe") is nearing exhaustion?

Exponential growth rate declines steadily - i.e. there is no exponential growth!



Same thing for "Other supporters":
Date|Other|days|signers/day|growth rate
30.05.07|38|||
27.12.07|609|211|2,71|12079,19%
17.01.10|6154|752|7,37|207,55%
12.01.12|14205|116|11,10|52,41%
I am missing one data point here - often, the "other supporters" were not recorded.
There is an interesting difference here: The linear growth rate (sigbners/day) is growing steadily! Not enough to sustain a stable exp. growth rate, but quite different from what we see with the A&E professionals!

I think, two explanations are possible or likely:
  • Among non-building professionals (stinking know-nothing amateurs), Gage's bag of lies enjoys some traction, so a proportion of the Other Supporters actively spread the woo and pass it on to more non-experts; this in contrast to the building professionals who obviously do no such thing, or fail completely
  • AE911T has shifted their target audience more and more away from A&E and towards non-experts


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Update January 17th 2012:
Oystein said:
dec 18: 1642
jan 04: 1647
5 new signatures in 17 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1642 A&E once every 15.3 years
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jan 04: 1647
jan 17: 1656
9 new signatures in 13 days, which is 1 new A&E professional convinced by every one of the already existing 1647 A&E once every 6.5 years

Oystein said:
dec 18: 14,105
jan 04: 14,179
74 new signatures in 17 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,105 OS once every 8.9 years
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jan 04: 14,179
jan 17: 14,236
57 new signatures in 13 days, which is 1 new Other Supporter convinced by every one of the already existing 14,105 OS once every 8.9 years

Oystein said:
dec 18: US$ 549.11 (10 donations)
jan 04: US$ 3,625.11 (44 donations)
still running till jan 12th (8 days to go).

That's 3,076 in 17 days. or 181 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 55 days (feb 28th).
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jan 04: US$ 3,625.11 (44 donations)
jan 17: US$ 7,305.11 (57 donations)
now extended to jan 19th (2 days to go).

That's 3,680 in 13 days. or 283 per day. At this pace, they'll reach their goal of 13,500 in 22 days (feb 8th).
 
The deadline for the drive to collect 13,500 for marketing efforts has been extended today or yesterday to jan 29, from jan 19. It used to be jan 12, and before that dec 18. Some people must be quite disappointed.
 
Oystein said:
The deadline for the drive to collect 13,500 for marketing efforts has been extended today or yesterday to jan 29, from jan 19. It used to be jan 12, and before that dec 18. Some people must be quite disappointed.
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So would it be fair to call their juggernaut petition a jugger-naught?
 
Oystein said:
The deadline for the drive to collect 13,500 for marketing efforts has been extended today or yesterday to jan 29, from jan 19. It used to be jan 12, and before that dec 18. Some people must be quite disappointed.
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:newlol
 
Orphia Nay said:
Oystein said:
The deadline for the drive to collect 13,500 for marketing efforts has been extended today or yesterday to jan 29, from jan 19. It used to be jan 12, and before that dec 18. Some people must be quite disappointed.
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:newlol
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the 29th has arrived here in Europe - and the deadline has moved again, to feb 14 :D

just pinning down the numbers before I go to bed:

A&E: 1660
Others: 14,289
Raised: US$ 9307,11 of 13,500 (80 contributors), ends feb 14
 
Oystein said:
I just searched through several threads and websites and looked for historical figures of how many A&E had signed the "Petition" at what date. From this, I calculated average exponential and linear growth rate through several phases:...
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But you're not obsessed or anything...
 
Online petitions people, its the only accurate representation of the truth..:covereyes

I guess those 125,000 ASCE Engineers must be too busy signing Gage's petition to sign ergo's one..
 
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