The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[Travis]

Cars are also not generally known to plow into things while going 500 mph.

 

[twinstead]

So what we have here is somebody with absolutely NO understanding of the subject claiming to have it "all figured out".

Good thing that's never happened before on this forum....

 

[Sabretooth]

the problem is, people think of the towers as just skyscrapers. ordinary skyscrapers are mainly glass. the towers were no ordinary skyscrapers. they weighed 500,000 tons each, the wall was 2 in thick steel box girders spaced just 18 ins apart, so they were built to survive such a thing.
look at the archive videos of the towers under construction.

hmmmm....

 

[twinstead]

I love that picture.

 

[Sabretooth]

where do you get several hundred tons from? the weight of a fully laden 767 is no more than 100 tons.
from a book titled- the worlds greatest aircraft
weights
empty- 191,700lb
MTOW 351,000lb

You have got to be kidding by this point.

351,000 / 2,000 = 175.5 tons

175.5 tons > 100 tons

So you're a liar, a piss-poor researcher, and you're bad at math.

We got ourselves a grade 'A' twoofer here...

 

[twinstead]

I'm interested in that 737 engine silver birch said they found. Seriously, don't you think the perps could have found an actual 767 engine to plant?

 

[Travis]

I wonder if the engine thing is that old bit where someone mistook the compressor for the whole engine?

 

[SpitfireIX]

That's what people miss that think he shouldn't have just sat there for a few minutes. If he had just charged out of the room he would have simply been kept in the adjoining room knowing absolutely nothing more and not being able to do anything either.

Just to expand on this, unless there's some sort of medical emergency and/or known assassination attempt (such as after Reagan was shot), the President's motorcade never goes anywhere unless the route has been secured. Even had Bush and his advisors immediately made the decison to leave, several minutes would have been required to alert and position the local police units that blocked intersections and stopped traffic along the route back to the airport, as they weren't expecting him to move so soon.

 

[leftysergeant]

I'm interested in that 737 engine silver birch said they found. Seriously, don't you think the perps could have found an actual 767 engine to plant?

It looked like a 767 engine to me. I don't know where he gets his information.

 

[SpitfireIX]

I don't believe everything on the internet which contradicts the official story.

Irrelevant. Most September 11 conspiracy theories contradict each other, and many are self-contradictory.

you have touched on the real problem. for someone who cannot believe the official story, what really happened? the september clues explanation of the plane hitting the south tower is ludicrous, and there is good video debunking this. unfortunately some people will swallow these crap videos hook, line and sinker.

If you cannot believe the "official story," perhaps you should consider the possibility that your knowledge of physics, structural engineering, air-traffic control procedures, and NORAD operations may be lacking.

 

[twinstead]

It looked like a 767 engine to me. I don't know where he gets his information.

No, Silver Birch said it was a 737 engine. You must have been mistaken

 

[leftysergeant]

I would love to if I had the time, but I have other things to do.
what I don't believe is the official story of the north tower. why I believe in the no plane theory. if the tower was hit by a 767 the tower shown in the videos taken a few minutes after would not have looked like that.
say, it had a big heavy 767 crash into it. a 767 is big and heavy, but, it will float on water, not only will it float but has enough buoyancy to support the passengers walking on the wings. so, like anything that floats, it displaces its own weight in water. this means most of the volume of the plane is air. so, strip away the engines, landing gear, and everything inside the plane, and the weight you have left spread over the 160 ft fuselage and 150 ft wingspan means the aluminium skin is not very thick.

Well, you still have the equivalent of a big freaking machete hitting the building, because that aluminum wighs TONS and if really hauling ass. It was more than enough to break the bolted-together joints of the perimeter columns.

now, I'm certain if a 767 had flown into the towers it would folded on impact and not have passed through the steel box girders on the wall of the tower, in the same way autos have crumple zones to absorb the impact of a crash.

You are assuming that b ased on utter ignoarnce of how either the plane or the towers were constructed.

supposing the plane had passed through the outer wall, leaving the plane shaped hole, which is not actually plane shaped, no room for the tailfin to pass through, the aluminium plane would then have had to demolish the central support of 47 steel beams, otherwise the tail of the 160 ft long plane would have been dangling out of the hole.

I hilited the most absurdly wrong part of that. The cut-out was basicly plane-shaped, but had to recognize because it was made by removing entire three-story-high panels of joined columns, resulting in a sort of pixilated appearance. There need not have been a separate hole for the vertical stabilizer. The rear end of most aircraft snaps off rather easily in a crash. That is why it is usually found almost undamaged, sometimes half a mile behind where the rest of the aircraft comes to rest.

Once the wall is breached, though, that section would probably just cam down enough to slide under the upper margin of the hole.

Now we have tons of aluminum inside the building flattening out like a lead bullet, losing structural integrity, but still having mass and momentum and delivering weld-breaking energy to the core columns, plus all that fuel to set fire to stuff.

Nothing that you claim is at all consistant with the way that an aircraft acts on impact at a nearly-perpendicular surface.

 

[SpitfireIX]

what I don't believe is the official story of the north tower. why I believe in the no plane theory. if the tower was hit by a 767 the tower shown in the videos taken a few minutes after would not have looked like that.

Please state your qualifications to make such a pronouncement.

say, it had a big heavy 767 crash into it. a 767 is big and heavy, but, it will float on water, not only will it float but has enough buoyancy to support the passengers walking on the wings.

US Airways Flight 1549^WP was an Airbus A320, but we'll grant for the sake of argument that a 767 would have behaved the same way. And the location of the passengers is irrelevant to the aircraft's buoyancy.

so, like anything that floats, it displaces its own weight in water. this means most of the volume of the plane is air.

It means no such thing. Are you aware that jet fuel is significantly lighter than water?

so, strip away the engines, landing gear, and everything inside the plane, and the weight you have left spread over the 160 ft fuselage and 150 ft wingspan means the aluminium skin is not very thick.

That aircraft have thin skins is common knowledge; further, you could have discovered the average skin thickness of a 767 by googling or some other reference.

now, I'm certain if a 767 had flown into the towers it would folded on impact

Again, please state your qualifications to determine this.

and not have passed through the steel box girders on the wall of the tower

You do realize that there were large spaces between the girders (see above picture posted by Sabretooth), don't you?

in the same way autos have crumple zones to absorb the impact of a crash.

No, automobile crumple zones do not work that way. Further, an airliner impacting a building at 450 mph has relatively 50 times the impact energy of a car striking a wall at 65 mph. How are the two events even remotely similar?

supposing the plane had passed through the outer wall, leaving the plane shaped hole, which is not actually plane shaped, no room for the tailfin to pass through, the aluminium plane would then have had to demolish the central support of 47 steel beams, otherwise the tail of the 160 ft long plane would have been dangling out of the hole.

Why do you assume that the fuselage would have remained intact after having passed through the wall?

 

[NoahFence]

the problem is, people think of the towers as just skyscrapers. ordinary skyscrapers are mainly glass. the towers were no ordinary skyscrapers. they weighed 500,000 tons each, the wall was 2 in thick steel box girders spaced just 18 ins apart, so they were built to survive such a thing.
look at the archive videos of the towers under construction.

Doing nothing but typing your opinions for the next 100 years, you will still never be able to come close to being as wrong as you are about that.

You honestly need to do HONEST research.

MILLIONS of people saw this happen. Thousands upon thousands were there in NYC, when it happened, and saw it happen. You are wrong.

 

[NoahFence]

2 things you may find odd
why were the fire proof flight recorders never found, (never mind atta's fireproof passport)
and
why was the wrecked plane engine found on the ground a 737 engine?

Fire resistant flight recorders, kiddo.

Yes, even black boxes have limitations.

 

[silver birch]

Fire resistant flight recorders, kiddo.

Yes, even black boxes have limitations.

so do passports, even hijackers ones, (which he would not have needed on an internal flight anyway)

 

[triforcharity]

I'm certain if a 767 had flown into the towers it would folded on impact and not have passed through the steel box girders on the wall of the tower, in the same way autos have crumple zones to absorb the impact of a crash.

disregarding your argument from ignorance for a moment. You do understand that because cars will, quite often, crash into one another, they are DESIGNED to crumple upon impact, correct?

While a plane, is designed to NOT impact anything substantial, (other than wind and a few birds) and as such, doesn't have the ability to crumple, right?

Again, this is completely disregarding your argument from ignorance.

 

[Sabretooth]

so do passports, even hijackers ones, (which he would not have needed on an internal flight anyway)

I know you joined in 2006...but the world has moved on.

 

[triforcharity]

Twin towers had a mass of ca. 300,000,000 kg each
They were boxes measuring ca. 63x63x415m above ground. So they had a volume of 1,647,135m³ or 1,647,135,000 liters.

So the average density of the towers was about 0.18 kg/l, somewhere between 1/6th and 1/5th the density of water. Steel ships are in about the same range, so yes, the twin towers would very much have floated on water, with more than 80% of their volume above the water.

Untill someone opens the door.......

 

[NoahFence]

so do passports, even hijackers ones, (which he would not have needed on an internal flight anyway)

You need to think.

Like, HONESTLY. Use your head, research WHY would a hijacker have a passport for an internal flight?

Why?

(Hint - I know, but it's your problem. You find the solution. If you can't think of it, ask. But be warned - I might force you to admit you don't know something, and you might be asked to accept the truth)