How is a report that specifies Jews to be kept alive "very much evidence" that they are all going to be killed? BTW, how'd that sterilization program work out?
I don't recall reading anything about resettlement or deportation in that report. The 'fall back' position is that the report doesn't support the existence of a plan to exterminate all the Jews. And I'll assume you won't try to pretend it is in any way evidence for gas chambers or for six million.
You are totally incoherent. You refuse to support what you yourself claimed, and you argue against points I haven't claimed.
Let's go back, first, to what you yourself claimed. You claimed that the Jaeger Report was evidence for (1) anti-partisan actions, (2) an ethnic cleansing (population removal, not mass murder of a population group), and/or (3) unapproved, local excesses. Please show us, at last, how and where the Jaeger Report supports your claims.
Again, you continue to argue against strawmen, without even the courtesy or honesty to state my argument correctly. The Jaeger Report was not offered, as you know and anyone else following this thread knows from my posts, as part of a plan to exterminate all of Europe's Jews; rather, it was cited as evidence of a plan to decimate Lithuania's Jews, that is, an act of genocide. It described murder operations with "the goal of making Lithuania free of Jew," in Jaeger's words. I quoted this goal and I elaborated on the place of the report in an evolving program of mass murder, which at the time of the Jaeger Report did not yet target all of Europe's Jews. This report forms a part - an early part - as explained in a previous post - of the overall destruction of Europe's Jews, which simply didn't occur as you imply. That is, the report details the murder of 130,000+ out of 5 million plus Jews killed in the Holocaust. It was never argued that Jaeger reported on a master plan - but that his report covered the mass extermination of Lithuanian Jews that formed part of a years' long genocide in Europe. Simple.
Further, by Jaeger's maths, a bit off, he was approved to kill 130,000+ Lithuanian Jews and leave 34,000 Lithuanian Jews alive for labor at least over the winter but probably longer. Jaeger himself, reemphasizing that he was not operating locally and was not without supervision, recommended to his superiors sterilizing the "Work Jews" should they be kept alive for labor "post-winter." That his superiors chose a different course is hardly something for you to crow about, as the report makes clear that the murders were not local excesses, but approved actions, and as German authorities superiors ultimately decided to keep the Jewish laborers working for a longer time than Jaeger seems to have assumed they would - but ended up having most of them killed.
The selection principle, which operated differently at different times, is a major theme within the evolving genocide, with the Germans culling from seized Jews those deemed work-capable and putting these Jews into various labor situations, temporarily and often with, as the Wannsee protocol describes, the aim of reduction through labor itself. This approach assumes, of course, murdering those not selected for labor, according to Goebbels' estimate, "On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 percent can be used for forced labor." To take another example, Jews from Warsaw were selected out, put to work in Warsaw workshops in fall 1942, then, in spring 1943, selected again and this time removed from the Warsaw work-ghetto to labor camps in the General-Gouvernement, where in fall 1943 they were murdered in Operation Harvest Festival. It was about the same time, in fact, that the ghettos of Lithuania, with their workshops, were liquidated and their inhabitants, with a few exceptions, murdered or shipped to Estonian camps.
So, as noted, we know that Jaeger's sterilization recommendation was not taken up, that the "work Jews" in Lithuania (situations differed at other places in other times) were kept alive through 1943-1944, and that in the end most of them also were murdered after a few months labor in Estonian camps. For example, we have discussed on this thread that Vilna Jews were moved to Estonian labor camps, for example, Klooga and Lagedi, and executed just before the arrival of the Red Army there.
These facts make your characterization of Jaeger's summary - "a report that specifies Jews to be kept alive" - a bit disingenuous, to be charitable. About 80% of Lithuania's Jews had been murdered by the Nazis and their local helpers by the time Jaeger's report was written - and over 90% by the end of the war.
You had asked for a document that unambiguously describes the killing of Jews, without euphemistic terminology, not as part of small reprisal actions, etc. I cited a single such document, the Jaeger Report. By the way, Jaeger's report was condensed and submitted as part of a report made by his superior, Stahlecker, so that Jaeger's is not the only document we have on the summer-fall extermination actions in Lithuania, simply the one I cited. In explaining Jaeger's Report to you, your showing no signs of familiarity with it, I specifically said that it was not a document for a total Europe-wide extermination plan. I said that it was a document showing a plan to make Lithuania free of Jews - by mass murder. (If you consider it side by side with Stahlecker's report, you will see that it is part of German actions in the Baltics and Belorussia - the Ostland, and that 250,000 or so murders of Jews were reported for this region.) I also said that the goal of freeing Lithuania of Jews by extermination was considered achieved with the murder of 130,000+ Jews - although the Germans murdered Lithuanian 10s of 1000s of Lithuanian Jews over the next 3 years.
Your incoherent reply to this is that the report doesn't show a decided plan to murder all of Europe's Jews and that some Lithuanian Jews, a small minority, were kept alive for some time for labor. Leaving your tactics aside, and to my present point, you are trying to wriggle out of the fact that you also didn't accept the document for what it is and for what is was offered to be: a summary of a mass extermination program aimed at making Lithuania free of Jews. Instead, you described the report as having to do with combating partisans, population removal instead of murder, and unapproved excesses.
I have asked you several times to focus on your own claims - and for you to stop waving around false implications about what I argued.
We see clearly that you are determined to distort what I wrote so you can tilt against strawmen. Fine. But will you now at least offer support for the positions you took and explain to us how the Jaeger Report is evidence of anti-partisan operations, population removal and relocation, and unapproved excesses?
