Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[Dancing David]

I don't know much about the court system, but I figured a lawsuit is just about a dispute that has to be settled. The exact details I don't know much about, and I don't live in the U.S.

You don't know much but you sure assert a lot based upon your lack of knowledge.

 

[Anders Lindman]

How do you know that the person who claims to have the bonds is truthful?

Or that they were obtained in a legitimate fashion?

The bonds will have to be presented to the court I guess. And then experts will examine them to see if they are genuine or fake.

 

[JayUtah]

The bonds will have to be presented to the court I guess.

Not exactly. If none of the defendants files a motion for summary dismissal as part of his response and statement of intent to defend, then the next step is a defendant's motion for discovery, which means the plaintiff must first present the bonds to the defendants. If the bonds cannot be produced, then the defendants' subsequent motion to dismiss will almost certainly be granted.

 

[JayUtah]

The bonds will have to be presented to the court I guess.

My mistake; upon rereading the complaint I was reminded that the allegation is that the bonds were obtained from Keenan by deception and then converted. Therefore Keenan will have the burden to prove the bonds existed in the first place and were as they are described in the complaint. The case is therefore not likely to reach even the point where physical documents can be examined for authenticity.

 

[Anders Lindman]

My mistake; upon rereading the complaint I was reminded that the allegation is that the bonds were obtained from Keenan by deception and then converted. Therefore Keenan will have the burden to prove the bonds existed in the first place and were as they are described in the complaint. The case is therefore not likely to reach even the point where physical documents can be examined for authenticity.

The bonds Keenan was responsible for were just a small amount out of a much larger sum of bonds. Those other bonds can be presented as evidence.

 

[Craig4]

The bonds Keenan was responsible for were just a small amount out of a much larger sum of bonds. Those other bonds can be presented as evidence.

I'd say he better get on producing them.

I wonder how much money Keenan had to part with the get the forged bonds. That's typically how this scam works.

 

[Dancing David]

The bonds will have to be presented to the court I guess. And then experts will examine them to see if they are genuine or fake.

And the claim that they were made to look fake?

I mean really?

 

[Anders Lindman]

And the claim that they were made to look fake?

I mean really?

From the lawsuit, page 8-9:

"Upon information and belief, in order to effectuate this process, the Notes were printed to appear as if they were not produced from official origin and bear obvious imperfections, therefore easily deniable. However, when proper procedures are followed, the number of the Note and other linking identic data allows ultimate authentication and verification through the Federal Reserve System screening process and the presenting of the Note under the immunity shield allows effective use."

 

[JayUtah]

The bonds Keenan was responsible for were just a small amount out of a much larger sum of bonds. Those other bonds can be presented as evidence.

Evidence of what? How would some other package of bonds held by someone else be evidence of anything in Keenan's complaint?

 

[sam81292]

Can somebody tell me what actually is going on here? I know the basics of this story but the only thing that caught my attention was when somebody posted me a radio interview with that weirdo David Wilcock, who apparently was recieving death threats and started crying (maybe as an act?) on air. Then had some weird anonymous caller come on with a dodgy Irish accent - hinting that he was an alien (I think) and saying that Wiilcock was protected and big trouble would come if he was harmed by the suppose powers that be. I think it was on Project Camelot. Wilcock also claims that this Dragon family has some secret book called the Book of Maklumat (sp?) that had all the secrets of this suppose financial cabal. That has been the only thing that seems to be noticable about the whole ordeal.

Of course Wilcock like always acts like a complete idiot when he keeps arguing that this secret Dragon family, who no one has ever heard of, are aliens, which just makes it look all the more stupid.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Evidence of what? How would some other package of bonds held by someone else be evidence of anything in Keenan's complaint?

See previous post #408. If other such bonds can be presented that indeed are genuine, then that would be an amazing circumstantial evidence.

 

[Tomtomkent]

See previous post #408. If other such bonds can be presented that indeed are genuine, then that would be an amazing circumstantial evidence.

Not really, as it can only be evidence that some bonds MAY be genuine or fake. Not much help at all.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Can somebody tell me what actually is going on here? I know the basics of this story but the only thing that caught my attention was when somebody posted me a radio interview with that weirdo David Wilcock, who apparently was recieving death threats and started crying (maybe as an act?) on air. Then had some weird anonymous caller come on with a dodgy Irish accent - hinting that he was an alien (I think) and saying that Wiilcock was protected and big trouble would come if he was harmed by the suppose powers that be. I think it was on Project Camelot. Wilcock also claims that this Dragon family has some secret book called the Book of Maklumat (sp?) that had all the secrets of this suppose financial cabal. That has been the only thing that seems to be noticable about the whole ordeal.

Of course Wilcock like always acts like a complete idiot when he keeps arguing that this secret Dragon family, who no one has ever heard of, are aliens, which just makes it look all the more stupid.

Here is the part II they talked about in that show where 'anonymous' told David Wilcock to post the additional information, to make the situation safer for David: http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1022-lawsuit-end-tyranny-ii

And according to Wilcock he will post a part III later on.

Here is the show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcy0X5w3KwU

 

[JayUtah]

See previous post #408. If other such bonds can be presented that indeed are genuine, then that would be an amazing circumstantial evidence.

No. The fact that other teddy bears exist does not support my claim to have once owned a teddy bear that was stolen by someone I accuse of doing so.

 

[JayUtah]

From the lawsuit, page 8-9:

"Upon information and belief, in order to effectuate this process, the Notes were printed to appear as if they were not produced from official origin and bear obvious imperfections, therefore easily deniable. However, when proper procedures are followed, the number of the Note and other linking identic data allows ultimate authentication and verification through the Federal Reserve System screening process and the presenting of the Note under the immunity shield allows effective use."

This is gobbledygook. Keenan seems to be saying that even though the the certificates were patently forged, he can somehow still authenticate the forged serial numbers through the Federal Reserve. Bond certificates are negotiable instruments.

Nope -- if you photocopy a dollar bill, the copy has a perfectly valid serial number on it. That serial number doesn't make the photocopy valid currency.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Not really, as it can only be evidence that some bonds MAY be genuine or fake. Not much help at all.

But if bonds that look fake with 'obvious imperfections' and that are 'easily deniable' can be presented and be shown to be genuine, then that would be extremely remarkable.

 

[Anders Lindman]

This is gobbledygook. Keenan seems to be saying that even though the the certificates were patently forged, he can somehow still authenticate the forged serial numbers through the Federal Reserve. Bond certificates are negotiable instruments.

Nope -- if you photocopy a dollar bill, the copy has a perfectly valid serial number on it. That serial number doesn't make the photocopy valid currency.

What the lawsuit is saying is that the bonds look fake, when in reality being genuine.

 

[Tomtomkent]

And in no way evidence to the state of other bonds.

You are describing two sets of documents. The validity of one set is suggestive of the validity of the other set, and warrants investigation, but is not evidence of the state or circumstance of the case in point.

So you are wrong to call it circumstantial evidence.

I would guess you have not even tried to understand the legal system you are discussing.

 

[JayUtah]

But if bonds that look fake with 'obvious imperfections' and that are 'easily deniable' can be presented and be shown to be genuine, then that would be extremely remarkable.

No. First, as noted above, bond certificates are negotiable instruments. Thus imperfection is ipso facto proof of invalidity.

Second, the existence of any number of other stock certificates of any sort of credibility or validity is not proof that Keenen ever possessed the certificates he claims he lost.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Oh and btw, just because they have the same serial numbers of genuine bonds does not validate them as you claim.

Go ahead and copy the serial number from a 20 euro note onto a post it note. Now take it to a bank and see if they credit you twenty euros.