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The Genesis Seal

stokes234 said:
You still need to demonstrate that the block of letters you've put together contains significantly more random words than a series of control groups of blocks of letters from other stories in the same language.

Another poster brought up the point that you haven't given a motive for the hidden text. The point to hiding a code inside a text would be to add an extra or alternative meaning or hidden message that you intend to get to someone, but you haven't demonstrated anything along these lines - the only words you appear to be able to find don't tell us anything interesting or new.
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An important part of my argument is not just that emergent words in the Genesis Seal are exceptionally plentiful, but that they are anything but randomly placed. I cannot stress this too often. I have already given several examples of such words that are not only conceptually related, but structurally related to each other in close association. I have also shown by the G1 to G2 transformation that an inclusion in one aspect of the Seal will gine notice of what is about to happen in another aspect. And I have shown that a notable inclusion in one aspect may be replaced by alternative, notable entity in the next. Anyway, in peer review it is surely for the reviewers to demonstrate a fallacy should one exist, not to just claim to have done so as some in this thread have done.

As for the motive of the Genesis Seal author, that question is open to debate. Since I am presently the only person arguing for the Genesis Seal to be accepted as an objective reality, I am reluctant to come down on any particular option. However, I can offer the following provisional options in order of what I imagine will be increasing acceptability:
  1. This part of Genesis at least is a divine revelation. The cryptic content of the Genesis Seal is a message from the same Creator to whom the creation account refers. The motive could be the same as for any supposed divine revelation.
  2. The Seal is a very clever contrivance perpetrated by a savant mind at an unknown date, but not later that the Babylonian Exile. The motive could be either an attempt to support the existence of God by deception, an attempt to create a Jewish heritage that might guarantee their future survival, or just unmitigated mischief.
To be honest, I don't much mind which option is preferred. Right now, I would be happy for the Genesis Seal to be recognised as havving an objective reality. At least that would allow others in their own specialisms to assess that likelihood of the Seal having made an unseen impact on their pet subjects. The rest can follow in its own good time.
Does the Genesis Seal tell us anything new? The answer to that can be illustrated in relation to past civilisations. Among the posts I have already made, I have highlighted content that was not known until long after the biblical creation account was set down in writing. It follows that some cryptic aspects of the Genesis Seal must have been recognised only with hindsight. The best example I can cite is knowledge of the properties of right-angle triangles, which was incorporated into the Seal before it appeared on bookshelves elsewhere. There are other examples that I hope I will eventually be able to present to the forum.
 
You missed one:
3. The Seal is an arifact of a human's need to find order even in the absence of such, and you are unwilling to admit this is nothing but an unamazing coincidence because you have wasted so much time on it.

Guess which one I would put money on?
 
JimBenArm said:
You missed one:
3. The Seal is an arifact of a human's need to find order even in the absence of such, and you are unwilling to admit this is nothing but an unamazing coincidence because you have wasted so much time on it.

Guess which one I would put money on?
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'The impressiveness is not terrific'.-Hurree Jamset Ram Singh
 
JimBenArm said:
So, basically, the first words from Genesis come from a Hebrew word search puzzle.

Does Deuteronomy come from a Hebrew crossword? Or is it more like Soduku?
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All you have to do is look at the word to figure it out. We know that Astronomy is the study of stars so obviously Deuteronomy is the study of Deuters which can be interpreted as doubters so its clearly a diatribe against atheists.


All it takes is common sense.
 
This entire thread should have been started with the phrases " Thousands of years ago!" or " Gentlemen, BEHOLD!".
 
MRC_Hans,
I appreciate your considered comments, even where I still cannot agree with some of them. My own responses follow.


MRC_Hans said:
That will probably be impossible. Our concrete knowledge of that era is very limited.
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Agreed, but what if the Torah can be shown to reflect specific content of the Genesis Seal? So far, I have barely shown any such examples, barring the ‘Garden eastward in Eden’ and the ‘tablets’ within the Ark of the Covenant. And, going back even further, what if Ancient Egyptian myths and legends could also be shown to reflect content of the Seal? It has been suggested that words are bound to emerge in any matrix of letters. Be that as it may, the real point is that the words that do arise in the Genesis Seal can be shown to reflect literature of the past and, by extension, certain major events that have offered the right historical context. If I was writing a book on this subject, it would require several chapters on this aspect alone, supported by many illustrations of the Genesis Seal with relevant emergent content highlighted.



MRC_Hans said:
Probably, possibly ..... Let's face it, this is pure speculation.
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Apart from the realm of the physical sciences, progress in many subject (occasionally new subjects) has often begun with a chance observation, followed by idle speculation. I might cite Wegener’s drifting continents, or even, is some respects, Darwin’s Origin of Species.


MRC_Hans said:
Well, I'm glad to see you don't buy into that nonsense.
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I can go even further; although I began this research as a fairly committed Christian, I have had to face some uncomfortable truths. On balance, I am now of the opinion that a coherent Torah did not exist before the Babylonian Exile. It seems to me far more likely that the Jews there invented a complete ethnic and national history for themselves, so that their future as a nation would be assured. What would that do for Christianity?


MRC_Hans said:
First of all, we don't know Pythagora's history to that extent. It is highly probable that he is a historical person, but our knowledge of his life story is largely anecdotes.

Secondly, there is no indication in what we know about him that he took any special interest in the Torah. He travelled to Egypt, Babylon, and possibly India. His only contact with Jews (and the only one you claim) seems to be exiles in various places. We don't even know if he knew any Hebrew at all. After all, he was a Greek, and spoke a main language of the time.
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Like you, I suspect that the Pythagorean School and the Torah never shook hands. However, that would not preclude the possibility that they both developed from the same seed. I have already shown how the Genesis Seal could have served in that capacity. I have plenty more similar ammunition in reserve.

MRC_Hans said:
What role could a few words derived from the scripture of a, even then rather despised, minority religion possibly have played?
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I hope it follows from what I have already said here, that the Hebrew Tanakh (Old Testament) may not, as Jews would have the world believe, have been entirely their sole preserve. The Hebrew language was not introduced to the world by Abraham. So, the biblical creation account, containing the Genesis Seal, could easily have been known first to other cultures.


MRC_Hans said:
Pal, ANY points taken from an 8x8 matrix must necessarily form a geometrical pattern. There is no other way they can be arranged.
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Agreed. But the elaborately distinctive structure of the first verse of Genesis – the perimeter of the G1 Square – cries out that a square of that size is the place to start looking. The rest should follow automatically (I have given the rationale), except to Jews who, though best placed to undertake the task, also have most to lose.

MRC_Hans said:
It is only a right angle because you have chosen to draw it that way.
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Same answer as previous.


MRC_Hans said:
And artefacts of the fact that you have arbitrarily chosen to work in an 8x8 matrix, where right-angled triangles will abound.
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Same answer again.

MRC_Hans said:
No, he saw it in facts. Listen, Pythagoras' rule is not exactly rocket science. The brilliance lies in realizing that it is a universal rule, but you can confirm it experimentally.
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Agreed, but the principles encapsulated by the theorem were not always known. An important question is when and how did its essence become encoded in the first verse of Genesis? Notice that my post #361 addresses only the 28 Hebrew letters of Genesis 1:1, rather than the whole Genesis Seal.


MRC_Hans said:
I have highlighted the key word, here. You are speculating. Wildly.

You have not shown that the pattern is deliberate, and you haven not even made probable that there should be a connection to Pythagoras of Samos.
Hans
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I would argue that my speculation is informed by new information. I grant that I am still alone in accepting the objective reality of the Genesis Seal. But I do have the advantage of still knowing al lot more about it that I have already posted here. My next post to show more Seal content will be a relatively short one. It will extend the list of geometrical attributes of the matrix seen in Figure 5(b). They will include shapes that are not so well suited to presentation in a rectangular matrix., which says a lot for the author’s skill and foresight in addressing objections that you yourself have raised.
 
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I presume the next step is to make predictions based on the Genesis Seal discoveries.
 
So when is Phil Collins old band and the guy married to Heidi Klum going to have their concert?
 
dafydd said:
Dunno, but give the world a warning first.
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From what I can figure out from this thread is that the date is apparently a secret and apparent some Greek guy who didn't know Hebrew figured it out but then forgot to tell anyone he had figured it out. IMO, I think kingfisher is just looking to scalp tickets.
 
Given that you said earlier that Genesis has word breaks after 14, 21 and 28 characters (I think I've remembered that correctly), does that not imply a 7x7 square/spiral should be used? Why did you settle on the 8x8 grid, especially as using 64 characters cuts off in the middle of a word?
 
Agatha said:
Given that you said earlier that Genesis has word breaks after 14, 21 and 28 characters (I think I've remembered that correctly), does that not imply a 7x7 square/spiral should be used? Why did you settle on the 8x8 grid, especially as using 64 characters cuts off in the middle of a word?
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Those old Hebrews invented chess.
 
While I am not the most knowledgeable when it comes to ancient/classical esoterica, I can't for the life of me rememember any similar grid from Egyptian, Babylonian or Greek art. Where did you get the 8 x 8 grid from? Which number system is that based on? I'm not quite sure which base those different cultures used. And I do suppose if there were anything to it the grid would probably be based on the culture specific numerology which I seem to remember differs.

Edit: what Agatha said. Maybe I should at least read the posts directly above me.
 
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