The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

silver birch said:
you didn't have long to wait for flight 93 and 77.
93, thats the one where the terrorists bandana and flight attendents id must have been flung out of the window just before the plane disappeared into the abandoned mine at shanksville
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As I recall, those were buried in the hole that the fuselage made. Nothing odd about either item surviving.
 
silver birch said:
Oystein said:
silver birch said:
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have a look at firefighters for 9/11 truth site. there is a statement by a NY fire chief who calls the official explanation impossible.
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Link, name and quote, please?
Last time we researched this website, there wasn't even a single plain firefighter from NY anywhere to be found with anything that would support their case.
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Anton Vodvarka, Lt. (ret)

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
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1. What makes you think he was a fire chief? The rank of Lt.? Is that so?

2. Note the parenthese: "(ret)". He is now retired, and was retired already in 2001. He was not actually with the FDNY on 9/11/2001. So the information that he used to be a New York fire person (I avoid "chief" cuz I think that's a lie you told us) is irrelevant.

3. We talked about Vodvarka before on this forum, check out these posts from an interesting debate last october:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7658758&highlight=Vodvarka#post7658758 (I show that Vodvarka is a liar, an all-around Conspiracy-Theories nut, and too old to have served the FDNY on 9/11)
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7661921&highlight=Vodvarka#post7661921 (Dave Rogers analyses the many lies Vodvarka tells)
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7664273&highlight=Vodvarka#post7664273 (LashL comments aptly on Vodvarka's lies and people, like you, silver birch, who let such lies pass)



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Check out the Wikipedia article on FDNY to learn about their ranks:
Chief of Department
Chief of Fire Operations/Chief of EMS Operations
Assistant Chief/EMS Assistant Chief
Deputy Assistant Chief
Division Chief/EMS Division Chief
Deputy Division Chief/EMS Deputy Division Chief (Deputy to Division Chief or citywide EMS shift supervisor)
Battalion Chief Captain (Company Commanding Officer, and commanding officer of the firehouse if assigned to an Engine company)/EMS Captain (EMS Station commanding officer or EMS Division shift supervisor)
Lieutenant (Company Officer)/EMS Lieutenant (shift supervisor, desk or conditions) Firefighter (5th through 1st Class, one class being achieved for each year of service after probation up to five years)/EMT/Paramedic
Probationary Firefighter (often referred to as "Probie", as slang for rookie)/Provisional EMT/Provisional Paramedic
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Vodvarka, as Lt., was NOT a fire chief! When he retired, he was a shoift supervisor at best! Two ranks below chief.

Silver birch, did you make that lie up yourself, or did you unskeptically repeat someone else's lie? I really want to know!
 
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silver birch said:
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
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I should add that the site is headed by a rookie with less time investigating fires at the time he first posted his opinion to the web than I have. No professional gfroup of fire fighters have ever endorsed his theories. He actually get driven off of actual professional fire fighters' discussion boards.

The fact that he includes the blather of a sleazoid like George Nelson is a good indication that he is on shaky ground.
 
silver birch said:
as a twoofer believing in the 'no planes theory' I feel I have become sidetracked.
there is no evidence the planes were hijacked, there is no cctv pictures of the hijackers at the airport the planes departed from. if the hijackers were on the planes they would not have got into the cockpit. airlines have been prepared for years to combat hijackers, no code 7600 (hijack) was received, which would have taken the pilot seconds. so the hijackers had 'boxcutters', short bladed knives. on an average airline flight there would be many male adult passengers, could the hijackers take them all on? if I was there, a piece of luggage from the overhead rack would have been thrown to their head hard.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=channel_video_title

oh, what about the phone calls?
what about the phone calls,
listen to the recording of the call from the flight attendent on flight 93 to her husband, who does not think it is genuine, it is obvious she is reading from a script under pressure, and is almost certainly not airborne
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJzoGD_zsiM&feature=channel_video_title
the most obvious lie is the pentagon story. the 5 frames of the security video do not show an airliner, hanjour, who was supposed to be piloting it could not handle a cessna, according to his flight school instructor. experienced pilots on pilots for 9/11 truth site say they could not make the manoevre 77 was supposed to have made. if it did it would pull 10g and break up. many witnesses arrived at the scene in a few minutes and did not see any wreckage.
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You are a liar.

Not one syllable in that idiotic post is accurate, and what's more - you know it.
 
beachnut said:
What is your next delusional lie based on ignorance? 10 years of failure, and you are pushing lies, and you don't know it. Why are you unable to comprehend RADAR?
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Hey Beachnut; didnt you know that all the ATCOs where in on this huge conspiracy too? Whats another few dozen of people in the huge picture :cool:

BTW, I have the same problem with chemtards; they dont understand the concept of radar either, so perhaps its a special illiteracy that the twoofers share with the tin foil hat brothas :D
 
silver birch said:
so, the fires were starting to go out then the demolition started.
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No, they certainly were not. Unless of course you can provide some evidence of this....

silver birch said:
the demolition collapse also killed 343 firefighters who entered the towers
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I've fixed that for you. No need to thank me.

silver birch said:
expecting the steel framed building to remain upright.
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Yes and no. Expecting to be able to evacuate as many people as they could.

silver birch said:
have a look at firefighters for 9/11 truth site. there is a statement by a NY fire chief who calls the official explanation impossible.
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Yeah, he's foolish. FF911T has done nothing in the fire community.

Wanna see what real firefighters think of those dolts?
http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?107457-Firefightersfor9-11truth-org

Erik Lawyer showed up here for a short time after I completely and utterly destroyed his entire argument, demanding that I reveal my true information. I of course wouldn't, and he hasn't been seen since.
 
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7905011#post7905011 ...oh, what about the phone calls?
what about the phone calls,
listen to the recording of the call from the flight attendent on flight 93 to her husband, who does not think it is genuine, it is obvious she is reading from a script under pressure, and is almost certainly not airborne
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJzoGD_zsiM&feature=channel_video_title
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They don't even teach flight attendants how to properly sound like their plane's been hijacked these days. Sad.

I admit silver birch has a point, though, if I was a conspiracy maker I too would try to make the evidence look unconvincing to CTers. Makes perfect sense:rolleyes:.
 
triforcharity said:
Wanna see what real firefighters think of those dolts?
http://www.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=107457

Erik Lawyer showed up here for a short time after I completely and utterly destroyed his entire argument, demanding that I reveal my true information. I of course wouldn't, and he hasn't been seen since.
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I cant get your link to work, but I get this link to work for me (I think)

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?107457-Firefightersfor9-11truth-org
 
Edx said:
CUZ... CUZ dark smowk meanz duh fire is gowing owt!! DARK SMOKE ON 911 = PROOF NO BIG FIRES IN WTC!
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Yeah, I was waiting for that. We might still get it. His level of ignorance, yeah, we'll still get it.

I'm just waiting for him to step in it wrt FDNY and such.
 
triforcharity said:
Yeah, that's the one. Old, outdated link. Thanks! Corrected!
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No problem, sire - I aim to please :D

Anyways; its a very interesting thread. NO ONE of the twoofer "firemen" thats there to put out their koko-theory have ever talked to any of the almost 12.000 NY FF, let alone to anyone that was actually there when it happened. Instead they do the same copy/paste of youtube vids. Thats must be some kind of a fetish with the CT`ers.... :rolleyes: The FF that actually were there on the 11th of Sept 01, are furious with the CT guys..... And still some folks keeps ranting about the "firefighters" that support "the cause". Never mind that most are not firefighters, and never mind that those who are, never were anywhere close to NYC that fatal day..... Amazing.
 
minnemouse said:
No problem, sire - I aim to please :D
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Our kind of gal.

Anyways; its a very interesting thread. NO ONE of the twoofer "firemen" thats there to put out their koko-theory have ever talked to any of the almost 12.000 NY FF, let alone to anyone that was actually there when it happened. Instead they do the same copy/paste of youtube vids. Thats must be some kind of a fetish with the CT`ers.... :rolleyes: The FF that actually were there on the 11th of Sept 01, are furious with the CT guys..... And still some folks keeps ranting about the "firefighters" that support "the cause". Never mind that most are not firefighters, and never mind that those who are, never were anywhere close to NYC that fatal day..... Amazing.
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I asked a fireman in the firehouse across the street from WTC two weeks ago about demo of the Towers and conspiracy and he said " it's ********"
 
BasqueArch said:
Our kind of gal.
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:blush:


BasqueArch said:
I asked a fireman in the firehouse across the street from WTC two weeks ago about demo of the Towers and conspiracy and he said " it's ********"
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We went to NYC in Sept -11, and we also talked to both policemen and firefighters; they are mad as hell at the "tinfoil hat brigade" and their inane theories. And I understand their (FF and cops) state of mind - there are a lot of ct`ers that has made this a big business, and that actually earns money on dead people and their grieving families and friends. Its nothing less than disgusting, and I place them in the same category as child molesters, rapists and murderers. They are the lowest form of life. (Sorry mods, but I really feel that.) These people has no sense of shame whatsoever. :(

We stayed at World Centre Hotel, and from the terrace of our room, we looked straight over to the fire house you mention. Having been to NYC before 9/11, it made a great impact to see the memorial park, and the gigantic holes with all the workers in, right under our terrace......
 
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minnemouse said:
I cant get your link to work, but I get this link to work for me (I think)

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?107457-Firefightersfor9-11truth-org
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As you can see, there is hardly a professional fire fighter who will give this outfit a bit of respect.

When Lawyer mentioned the "Patriots for 9/11 Truth" site, I just had to conclude that he is utterly incapable of deductive reasoning or some of the most basic research. He relies too heavily on the lies of that conman George Nelson, a known sympathizer with ultra-right-wing and racist groups.

He is also a total liar. He actually tries to sell the plane pods BS.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Lawyer is a rookie with an attitude problem.
 
silver birch said:
so, the fires were starting to go out then the demolition started. the demolition also killed 343 firefighters who entered the towers expecting the steel framed building to remain upright.
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Cow cookies.



Oh, and take a look at the window at the left end of the sturcture in the inset. What is that bright shiney stuff that we see dripping out of the frame at about 4:30 onward?
 
leftysergeant said:
No professional gfroup of fire fighters have ever endorsed his theories. He actually get driven off of actual professional fire fighters' discussion boards.
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If that's the thread I remember, he was really lucky he didn't make those allegations face to face; that thread was an epic internet beatdown.
 
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