Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[Anders Lindman]

NO!

If you cannot understand a two paragraph, seven sentence post, what makes you think you can analyze anything?

Oh yes! Me being initially wrong doesn't change the fact that a conspiracy theory is needed to claim I'm wrong.

 

[Craig4]

To claim that requires a conspiracy theory. Ha ha. A belief that there can be fake people or people with fake roles in the lawsuit.

Yes, it is likely that Bosco and at least one other person conspired to commit fraud and wire fraud.

ETA: That is to say if Bosco and others made the claims alleged in the filing.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Oh yes! Me being initially wrong doesn't change the fact that a conspiracy theory is needed to claim I'm wrong.

No it isn't.

Neither is it required to claim you are wrong for stating this.

 

[ngc6205]

To claim that requires a conspiracy theory. Ha ha. A belief that there can be fake people or people with fake roles in the lawsuit.

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

I never said that any people were fake. I never said that there were people in the lawsuit that had fake roles. I STATED that KEENAN BELIEVED that Zagimi represented to Keenan that Bosco was a Vatican banker. That is it. You keep reaching conclusions that are not supported by the statements.

 

[Anders Lindman]

No, it is not a conspiracy theory. It is a belief that someone people may be lying.

If my kids tell me that the cat knocked the vase onto the floor and I suspect they are not telling the truth that is not a conspiracy theory, it is a belief that I can (possibly) prove or disprove.

Keenan may have had an honest belief that this Basco character was a Vatican Banker and a P2 Freemason. I suspect that this was not a well founded belief. If it comes out in court that Mr. Basco is employed by a Vatican based banking establishment and can give the correct handshakes then I will have been shown to be wrong, alternately if it comes out in court that Basco is an alias for a conman that can spin a story then my beliefs will have been shown to have been correct and Mr. Keenan mistaken.

The conspiracy theory would come when you or someone else declines to accept the evidence and maintains an incorrect position because "somebody manipulated the evidence."

A conspiracy theory is about two or more people having been manipulating things in an illegal way. If Zagami has been lying and only him, then it's not a conspiracy. However, also Basco must have been lying since in the lawsuit it says on page 41:

"During the course of those discussions, DAL BOSCO represented to KEENAN not only that he was the financial advisor to Zagami, but also to the Vatican, Vatican City, Rome as well as the Treasurer of the P2 Masonic P2 Lodge in Rome and Monte Carlo working directly with Zagami."

This means that for my initial statement to be wrong at least two persons must have been lying, which is a conspiracy theory.

The only exception as I can see is if the persons in the lawsuit don't exist at all and have been made up by only one author, in which case it's fraud but not a conspiracy (since only one person would then be involved).

 

[Anders Lindman]

No it isn't.

Neither is it required to claim you are wrong for stating this.

Yes, it is.

I said that some poster(s) here were accusing the Vatican of fraud. To claim that I'm wrong requires a conspiracy theory. Because the lawsuit claims that Bosco is a Vatican banker, and Bosco even claimed that himself in person to Keenan (page 41 in the lawsuit):

"During the course of those discussions, DAL BOSCO represented to KEENAN not only that he was the financial advisor to Zagami, but also to the Vatican, Vatican City, Rome as well as the Treasurer of the P2 Masonic P2 Lodge in Rome and Monte Carlo working directly with Zagami."

 

[ngc6205]

A conspiracy theory is about two or more people having been manipulating things in an illegal way. If Zagami has been lying and only him, then it's not a conspiracy. However, also Basco must have been lying since in the lawsuit it says on page 41:

"During the course of those discussions, DAL BOSCO represented to KEENAN not only that he was the financial advisor to Zagami, but also to the Vatican, Vatican City, Rome as well as the Treasurer of the P2 Masonic P2 Lodge in Rome and Monte Carlo working directly with Zagami."

This means that for my initial statement to be wrong at least two persons must have been lying, which is a conspiracy theory.

The only exception as I can see is if the persons in the lawsuit don't exist at all and have been made up by only one author, in which case it's fraud but not a conspiracy (since only one person would then be involved).

Actually, what you have in the lawsuit is KEENAN's BELIEFS about what he was told and who told him what. It doesn't require for anyone to have lied.

 

[Craig4]

A conspiracy theory is about two or more people having been manipulating things in an illegal way. If Zagami has been lying and only him, then it's not a conspiracy. However, also Basco must have been lying since in the lawsuit it says on page 41:

"During the course of those discussions, DAL BOSCO represented to KEENAN not only that he was the financial advisor to Zagami, but also to the Vatican, Vatican City, Rome as well as the Treasurer of the P2 Masonic P2 Lodge in Rome and Monte Carlo working directly with Zagami."

This means that for my initial statement to be wrong at least two persons must have been lying, which is a conspiracy theory.

The only exception as I can see is if the persons in the lawsuit don't exist at all and have been made up by only one author, in which case it's fraud but not a conspiracy (since only one person would then be involved).

No. The two people mentioned in the lawsuit would have committed a conspiracy if they, in concert conspired to defraud Keegan.

 

[Anders Lindman]

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

I never said that any people were fake. I never said that there were people in the lawsuit that had fake roles. I STATED that KEENAN BELIEVED that Zagimi represented to Keenan that Bosco was a Vatican banker. That is it. You keep reaching conclusions that are not supported by the statements.

It was Zagami who told Keenan that Bosco was a Vatican banker:

"At that time, Zagami introduced Fulford through SKYPE conversations to DAL BOSCO whom Zagami represented was a trustworthy Vatican Banker and also associated with the P2 Masonic Lodge."

Keenan not only believed Zagami but also believed Bosco himself:

"During the course of those discussions, DAL BOSCO represented to KEENAN not only that he was the financial advisor to Zagami, but also to the Vatican, Vatican City, Rome as well as the Treasurer of the P2 Masonic P2 Lodge in Rome and Monte Carlo working directly with Zagami."

So a conspiracy theory is needed to claim I'm wrong. Without such conspiracy theory, the statements in the lawsuit are taken as being true and then my initial claim about people here accusing the Vatican is true.

 

[Anders Lindman]

No. The two people mentioned in the lawsuit would have committed a conspiracy if they, in concert conspired to defraud Keegan.

No, Keegan could have been a part of the conspiracy.

 

[Craig4]

No, Keegan could have been a part of the conspiracy.

Then why is he suing? He's the victim of the scam.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Actually, what you have in the lawsuit is KEENAN's BELIEFS about what he was told and who told him what. It doesn't require for anyone to have lied.

Yes, it does since Keegan later on met Bosco in person:

"During the course of those discussions, DAL BOSCO represented to KEENAN not only that he was the financial advisor to Zagami, but also to the Vatican, Vatican City, Rome as well as the Treasurer of the P2 Masonic P2 Lodge in Rome and Monte Carlo working directly with Zagami."

And Bosco himself claimed to represent the Vatican (or at least being connected to the Vatican).

 

[Anders Lindman]

Then why is he suing? He's the victim of the scam.

Multilayer conspiracy.

 

[ngc6205]

Yes, it does since Keegan later on met Bosco in person:

"During the course of those discussions, DAL BOSCO represented to KEENAN not only that he was the financial advisor to Zagami, but also to the Vatican, Vatican City, Rome as well as the Treasurer of the P2 Masonic P2 Lodge in Rome and Monte Carlo working directly with Zagami."

And Bosco himself claimed to represent the Vatican (or at least being connected to the Vatican).

I swear that trying to explain something to you is like trying to teach a pig to sing.

What you have there is KEENAN'S BELIEF that BOSCO represented to him that BOSCO was a Vatican banker.

 

[Craig4]

Multilayer conspiracy.

So who was Keegan trying to defraud?

 

[Anders Lindman]

I swear that trying to explain something to you is like trying to teach a pig to sing.

What you have there is KEENAN'S BELIEF that BOSCO represented to him that BOSCO was a Vatican banker.

We need to look at both claims. Both Zagami AND Bosco himself told Keenan. So both Zagami and Bosco would have to be lying for Keenan's trust to have been misplaced.

 

[Anders Lindman]

So who was Keegan trying to defraud?

You mean Keenan? I believe Keenan is telling the truth. What I said was that he could (hypothetically) be a part of a conspiracy. Not that he necessarily was.

 

[Craig4]

We need to look at both claims. Both Zagami AND Bosco himself told Keenan. So both Zagami and Bosco would have to be lying for Keenan's trust to have been misplaced.

Obviously they were lying. That's the point of the scam.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Obviously they were lying. That's the point of the scam.

Ha! So you believe in a conspiracy theory then.

 

[ngc6205]

We need to look at both claims. Both Zagami AND Bosco himself told Keenan. So both Zagami and Bosco would have to be lying for Keenan's trust to have been misplaced.

Not necessarily. Zagimi MAY or MAY NOT have represented that Bosco was representative of the Vatican. Bosco MAY or MAY NOT have represented that Bosco was a representative of the Vatican or a Vatican banker. All you have in the lawsuit is a statement that indicates KEENAN'S BELIEFS. That is all.