"The Republicans’ war on science and reason"

You seem to think that piddle-down ecconomics works. 'Nuff said.

Dude, you say "'Nuff said" after you do nothing to explain yourself. You accused me of some pretty horriable stuff and you do not explain or back up what you say.

And the irony is that YOU accuse ME of "talking out of my ass".

Everyone wants to live in a world of fairness where every mouth is fed and everyone is healthy. You accused me of wanting the opposite. Explain yourself, man.

You also basically implied I am a warmonger. No one wants war. Explain yourself.

Then you defined yourself by using supposition after you accused me of evil. You said "You seem....". That is not good enough and I think you are smart enought to know that.
 
Well of course Bill. In the real world it's every man for themselves.

I never said that nor did I imply that.

We were talking about the military.

Let me give you some examples. In a perfect world the Navy SEALS would have captured Osama bin Laden and put him on trial.
In a perfect world we would not have to use drones to take out terrorist suspects who sometimes are not armed.

In vietnam GI's would shoot little kids who approaced them with flowers. This is because we quickly learned that some of those little kids that seemed to be on our side were wired with explosives. In a perfect world we would not have to kill kids. In a perfect world the enemy would not use their kids as bombs.
 
Dude, you say "'Nuff said" after you do nothing to explain yourself. You accused me of some pretty horriable stuff and you do not explain or back up what you say.

And the irony is that YOU accuse ME of "talking out of my ass".

Everyone wants to live in a world of fairness where every mouth is fed and everyone is healthy. You accused me of wanting the opposite. Explain yourself, man.

You also basically implied I am a warmonger. No one wants war. Explain yourself.

Then you defined yourself by using supposition after you accused me of evil. You said "You seem....". That is not good enough and I think you are smart enought to know that.

you gave up the war on islam? :D
 
Wikipedia's current article on war correspondents lists nine war correspondents of the 19th century, including Stephen Crane. That article lists 68 war correspondents of the 20th century; some covered the Vietnam war, but most of those listed covered one of the world wars.


Not all of those reporters were present on active battlefields, but the following reporters were present during at least some combat during the world wars:

It is still a luxury of modern warfare. Not always have we had smart bombs and precise military action.

I am sure the reporters in World War One knew they were putting their lives at great risk.
 
You seem to think that piddle-down ecconomics works. 'Nuff said.

No man, you accuse me of a warmonger. You owe me more than "blah blah blah piddle-down ecconomics... 'Nuff said"

If you don't like the message, you personally attack the messenger. Is this the game Liberals play?
 
Let me give you some examples. In a perfect world the Navy SEALS would have captured Osama bin Laden and put him on trial. In a perfect world we would not have to use drones to take out terrorist suspects who sometimes are not armed.
This has nothing to do with what we are talking about I have no such illusions. You were talking about summary execution of innocent civilians.

In vietnam GI's would shoot little kids who approaced them with flowers.
the UCMJ includes a policy that calls for killing kids with flowers? Please to provide sources. BTW, I know that Iraqi families who ignored checkpoints in Iraq were killed. But there were polices. They were not summary executions. Please to give me the military policy that gives you permission to kill reporters? Cause I really think that is ad hoc justification for atrocity.
 
That is almost right.
If you are almost right, you are still wrong.

The world is not rational. Liberalism is for people who want the world to be rational. Progressives want change. They want progress.

Brilliant! A conservative finally admitting the truth, that they do not have a rational worldview. My hat goes off to you, Sir :)
 
There is more. Sometimes reporters screw up. They are usually people who went to broadcasting school and have no idea that a war is sometimes a complex thing with rules that one needs to be trained for. They forget that the enemy is also watching CNN and MSNBC and they give out details about troop movements without thinking.

I seem to recall some dirt bag from Fox Boobs doing that.
 
the era of the photo is irrelevant.
what is said about 'trickle down economics' is not.

Great photo.

But I'm not sure how it informs us about economic policy.

I have to review exactly when the dust bowl occurred. I think that was roughly the time of this photo.

In any case, FDR's spending on gov't projects could be thought of as "trickle up" policies, right? TVA and the like pouring money into worker's hands. With the best of intentions and with some good effects*

Yet economists still cannot agree whether those programs and gov't spending actually helped or hurt the recovery from the depression.

Posting a photo like that in support of an economic theory is way simplistic, IMHO.

*the projects themselves seem to be an overall good. Rural electrification. The dams and associated structures of the TVA, some of which are lasting monuments to progress, just a few miles fom my home. I might be able to support that sort of stimulus, especially something like "Rails to Trails". This administration's choice of allegedly "shovel-ready" projects for stimulus spending seems to show a shocking lack of vision.
 
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Great photo.

But I'm not sure how it informs us about economic policy.

I have to review exactly when the dust bowl occurred. I think that was roughly the time of this photo.

In any case, FDR's spending on gov't projects could be thought of as "trickle up" policies, right? TVA and the like pouring money into worker's hands. With the best of intentions and with some good effects*

Yet economists still cannot agree whether those programs and gov't spending actually helped or hurt the recovery from the depression.

Posting a photo like that in support of an economic theory is way simplistic, IMHO.

*the projects themselves seem to be an overall good. Rural electrification. The dams and associated structures of the TVA, some of which are lasting monuments to progress, just a few miles fom my home. I might be able to support that sort of stimulus, especially something like "Rails to Trails". This administration's choice of allegedly "shovel-ready" projects for stimulus spending seems to show a shocking lack of vision.

Blum was born around the time of the dust bowl so obviously the quote was made many decades later (like, after "trickle down economics" was coined) and the dust bowl doesn't actually have anything to do with anything whatsoever beyond providing good copy when it comes to black and white photographs of Americans living in poverty.
 
Great photo.

But I'm not sure how it informs us about economic policy.

I have to review exactly when the dust bowl occurred. I think that was roughly the time of this photo.

In any case, FDR's spending on gov't projects could be thought of as "trickle up" policies, right? TVA and the like pouring money into worker's hands. With the best of intentions and with some good effects*

Yet economists still cannot agree whether those programs and gov't spending actually helped or hurt the recovery from the depression.

Posting a photo like that in support of an economic theory is way simplistic, IMHO.

*the projects themselves seem to be an overall good. Rural electrification. The dams and associated structures of the TVA, some of which are lasting monuments to progress, just a few miles fom my home. I might be able to support that sort of stimulus, especially something like "Rails to Trails". This administration's choice of allegedly "shovel-ready" projects for stimulus spending seems to show a shocking lack of vision.
(emphasis mine) Eddie, if my post seems confrontational I assure you it's not meant to be. I'm trying to make a point without being provocative. Though I studied economics at the University and have read books on economics since, I'm not an expert. I'm not trying to win a debate, I'm trying to contribute to the dialog.

By itself the photo is simply an appeal to emotion. Even at its best it cannot justify an economic theory.

What is the theory for "trickle up" not to work (not to stimulate the economy)? Is it the idea that poor people bury the money in their back yard (I know it sounds snarky but there is a purpose to the question)? Is it that poor people put their money in over seas investments or that they purchase goods and services from oversees companies largely bypassing American interests? Is it that poor people spend the money primarily among themselves, pooling the money at the lower tiers of society thus there is little chance for the money to move up the food chain?

I easily understand how money at the top can stay at the top. I've no theory for the reverse. I've never heard one proposed. 1 man earning $1M annually could move his money off shore, purchase foreign goods, hire employees in India. 33 people each making $30k annually have little choice but to invest locally. That I get. Henry Ford believed that if he paid his workers more then there would be more money in the hands of people who could purchase a wide variety of goods and services from a large number of American vendors.

Now, I'm not saying it's a panacea or will always work with any amount of money. Economies in societies the size of America are very complex dynamic things. They are chaotic and thus sensitive to initial conditions.

Further, since economies like America's are chaotic, and since our manufacturing was left intact after the war and we could supply many goods and services to the rest of the world, the question, assuming FDR's policies worked, then how much did they contribute?
 
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