Dragon Family lawsuit against the United Nations

[Tomtomkent]

No, not for such a long time such as for centuries! There would be some people who exposed the conspiracy. Mind control is used to ensure that something like that doesn't happen. Pretty hardcore.

Or, perhaps, and this might be a bit too simplistic: There is no conspiracy other than the organised religion.

You have not proven a conspiracy. You have not proven Mind Control.

Would it not be simpler to assume the lack of one negates the need for the other?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Do you not think that might be of some benefit to find out before continuing with this particular discussion? The fundamental principles of the system in the US might be of some help before you continue to refuse to believe that something you know nothing about works differently to your imagination?

But the basic legal stuff is pretty basic, basically. It's just a matter of proving a legal case.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Or, perhaps, and this might be a bit too simplistic: There is no conspiracy other than the organised religion.

You have not proven a conspiracy. You have not proven Mind Control.

Would it not be simpler to assume the lack of one negates the need for the other?

According to Svali such conspiracy exists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI1c3MLDEII

 

[Tomtomkent]

But the basic legal stuff is pretty basic, basically. It's just a matter of proving a legal case.

So, if it is so basic... Why did it tke so many posts before you understood anybody had the right to file a suite, regardless of its chances or legitimacy?

As that is step one, and a few posts ago you were still trying to get it right.

Maybe, and this is a just suggestion, you would find it of benefit to read into the actual basic process, before making any further assertions.

 

[Tomtomkent]

According to Svali such conspiracy exists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI1c3MLDEII

I don't care what Svali thinks. I care what you can supply evidence for.

Until you prove with evidence that there is a conspiraacy, I have no reason to give any credence to unsupported hogwash about mind control.

 

[Anders Lindman]

So, if it is so basic... Why did it tke so many posts before you understood anybody had the right to file a suite, regardless of its chances or legitimacy?

As that is step one, and a few posts ago you were still trying to get it right.

Maybe, and this is a just suggestion, you would find it of benefit to read into the actual basic process, before making any further assertions.

I still doubt that attorneys will just accept all kinds of crazy claims in lawsuits. They must have some form of professional pride, if nothing else for their future reputation.

 

[Dancing David]

That sounds crazy. Then anyone could just make up all kinds of outrageous claims just to mess with people and destroy their lives.

It prevents those with power from gaming the system, now at the hearing stage a lot of cases are going to be unfounded, and that will be that.

 

[Dancing David]

As a thought experiment, imagine a respectable man being sued by his wife who falsely accuses him of raping their children.

That is a criminal matter and therefore goes through a different channel, you have a really strange impression of the US judicial system, where do you live?

 

[Anders Lindman]

That is a criminal matter and therefore goes through a different channel, you have a really strange impression of the US judicial system, where do you live?

All lawsuits are a criminal matter, buddy.

 

[Dancing David]

The thought experiment I gave was about the wife LYING about the husband raping for example their 2-year-old child. The man's reputation in society will get totally destroyed and it will take months or even years before the lawsuit is settled. Can a wife really file such lawsuit and get away with it?

Oh so parity hurts, what is the husband is the one lying? I think that there would be a forensic examination of the child, and whatever other evidence there.

Apparently you don't understand the US justice system, does the place you live have magic lie detectors?

 

[Dancing David]

Holy smoke! That's really scary. Some people love to hurt other people for example (sadists) and the legal system may be severely misused.

Oh my people abuse a system, imagine that. So you would screen out suits without having a judge hear the evidence?

Other people want to get rid of their competition and can do nasty things for that reason if they are sociopaths or psychopaths. At the same time people must be allowed to file lawsuits, because what if some outrageous claim turns out true after all. Nasty situation. Very nasty.

And when there is no evidence what happens then?

 

[Dancing David]

Here is the full post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7895661&postcount=117

My point is that if a wife for example falsely accuses her husband of having raped their 2-years-old child, then the man's reputation will go down the drain. Because it may take a long time before the truth about the matter is known. And then it doesn't matter that he is completely innocent. The lawsuit will cause harm even when as in this example it is a completely fraudulent claim.

Where do you live?

Do they have a magic way of stopping false accusations and judging statements as true?

What if the husband is the liar? Rapes the kids and beats his wife?

 

[JayUtah]

All lawsuits are a criminal matter, buddy.

That is as wrong as it can possibly be.

 

[Tomtomkent]

All lawsuits are a criminal matter, buddy.

See, this is why you need to look into the subject before making yourself look like a complete and utter empty headed doofus.

No. Not all lawsuits are criminal matter. You are describing CIVIL action being brought against the imaginary father. How do we know? Because the mother is suing him in a lwasuit rather than pressing charges with her local law enforcement agency.

Civil, Licensing, Matrimonial, and Criminal law are entirely seperate entities.

 

[Dancing David]

All lawsuits are a criminal matter, buddy.

Nope, they aren't, where did you get that information, buddy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_States#Civil_procedure

Where do you live?

I mean seriously I was married before a judge in a court house, am I a criminal. If I get sued by my landlord, am I a criminal?

 

[Dancing David]

I still doubt that attorneys will just accept all kinds of crazy claims in lawsuits. They must have some form of professional pride, if nothing else for their future reputation.

Sorry Anders that get you one dog

 

[Anders Lindman]

Where do you live?

Do they have a magic way of stopping false accusations and judging statements as true?

What if the husband is the liar? Rapes the kids and beats his wife?

Knowingly filing fraudulent lawsuits is illegal I have been told today. So that means that Keenan likely filed the lawsuit at least himself believing it to be valid.

 

[Tomtomkent]

And when there is no evidence what happens then?

Well the first step would appear to be go on the internet and tell people it is all true honest. Then some doofus believes it with out question, comes here, and displays his ignorance of the legal system he started a discussion about.

For further details on how to proceed I sell a small monograph book.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Nope, they aren't, where did you get that information, buddy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_States#Civil_procedure

Where do you live?

I mean seriously I was married before a judge in a court house, am I a criminal. If I get sued by my landlord, am I a criminal?

How strange to make a distinction between criminal and civil lawsuits. Isn't crime a crime is a crime?

 

[Dancing David]

A following question is then: What is the rationale for NOT being able to punish people who file fraudulent lawsuits? In other situations, frauds are illegal, so why not in this case?

Well, who says that there are not, for one thing you can be sued in a counter suit, and for defamation, libel and slander. A judge might find you in contempt of court, you might be charged with the criminal offense of perjury.

And you think lawyers prejudge cases, I means eriously they do what they get paid for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burger_King_(Mattoon,_Illinois)

"The Hootses filed suit in state court, and the Florida company responded with a federal suit: Burger King of Florida, Inc. v. Hoots (1968).[2] The Hootses had attorney Harlan Heller of Mattoon whereas the president of the Burger King of Florida appeared with at least six lawyers, according to Betty Hoots.[1] The case went to the federal 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, whose decision still stands as an important interpretation of the Lanham Act.
The court ruled that, because of the federal trademark registration, and because the federal law indicated priority over state law,[3] Florida's Burger King had rights to the name almost everywhere in the United States, including in Illinois, except in the Mattoon area, where the Hoots family had prior actual use."