Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[Humanzee]

Ah...well it seems I am the fool then. So the gas chamber was converted to an air raid shelter and a window was installed?

 

[LSSBB]

Ah...well it seems I am the fool then. So the gas chamber was converted to an air raid shelter and a window was installed?

Here is a link with an explanation.

David Cole also recanted his gas chamber denialism.

 

[Saggy]

Ah...well it seems I am the fool then. So the gas chamber was converted to an air raid shelter and a window was installed?

Wrong hoax gas chamber, H, but I think your self-assessment may be correct nonetheless.

 

[Humanzee]

Indeed. Thank you for the link...and sorry for the derail. The window subject has bugged me for awhile and I wanted to ask. Thanks.

 

[Humanzee]

I've never had a problem admitting I was wrong. You?

 

[Saggy]

I've never had a problem admitting I was wrong. You?

Well, then admit you've got the wrong hoax gas chamber, that you don't know the difference between Auschwitz and Majdanek, and then proceed ...

And, come to think of it, even if you did know the difference, and did have the right hoax gas chamber, you think they converted a gas chamber to a bomb shelter by installing a window ..... LOL ! Man, the holohoax takes the CAKE !

 

[LSSBB]

Indeed. Thank you for the link...and sorry for the derail. The window subject has bugged me for awhile and I wanted to ask. Thanks.

Humanzee, I was originally replying to Saggy's link of the Auschwitz chamber, thus my comments regarding the air raid conversion and subsequent link were for that chamber. Saggy later linked a picture of the one at Majdanek. Terry or Lemmy would be a better source on explanations for the chamber at Majdanek. Apologies for any confusion.

 

[Humanzee]

You reference both Auschwitz and Majdenek in your posts. Where was the glass window? Both locations?

 

[Humanzee]

Thanks LSSBB. I understand.

 

[Wroclaw]

But only because the hoi polloi, the people, are, stupid is not the word, I was one of them !, but uninformed, gullible, not curious, easily led, sheep really.

Well, it's good to know I'm in the presence of greatness.

I want you to consider a few things.

First, for whatever reason, Ashkenazi Jews have, on average, about 15 IQ points more than the general population. This is distributed across both quantitative and verbal thinking skills. You can chalk that up to genetics, endogamy, a strong cultural emphasis on learning, etc., but it's borne out empirically in study after study. Jews are smart people.

Second, why would the arguably smartest people around be so stupid in perpetrating a hoax of such putative importance to them as a people? Wouldn't common sense dictate that, were such a hoax under way, the Jews, being smart people, would use that intelligence to avoid stupid mistakes?

And third, given that stupid mistakes were made while perpetrating this hoax, why in the world wouldn't someone, anyone, among those Jews in nearly seventy-five years come along and blow the whistle on this hoax?

I'm sorry, Saggy, but it just doesn't add up. Smart people don't hoax that badly, and if they did, someone along the way would have pulled the plug. But it didn't happen.

 

[OCaptain]

Although in fairness, the folks that congregate at Holocaust Controversies are among the least talented in the Industry.

There have even been suggestions that this blog may have help lead to the suicide of Treblinka survivor Richard Glazar.
http://hateblogwatch.yuku.com/topic/436/Holocaust-Controversies-hate-blog-connection---suicide--T

I think this accusation may be going a bit far however. Holocaust Controversies blog is bad, but I am unsure if it is quite suicidally bad.

You think that's funny? Making fun of a man's suicide who lived through the madness of the camps?

It isn't. Not even a little bit. It's heartless and cruel of you.

 

[Saggy]

Well, it's good to know I'm in the presence of greatness.

I want you to consider a few things.

First, for whatever reason, Ashkenazi Jews have, on average, about 15 IQ points more than the general population. This is distributed across both quantitative and verbal thinking skills. You can chalk that up to genetics, endogamy, a strong cultural emphasis on learning, etc., but it's borne out empirically in study after study. Jews are smart people.

Second, why would the arguably smartest people around be so stupid in perpetrating a hoax of such putative importance to them as a people? Wouldn't common sense dictate that, were such a hoax under way, the Jews, being smart people, would use that intelligence to avoid stupid mistakes?

And third, given that stupid mistakes were made while perpetrating this hoax, why in the world wouldn't someone, anyone, among those Jews in nearly seventy-five years come along and blow the whistle on this hoax?

I'm sorry, Saggy, but it just doesn't add up. Smart people don't hoax that badly, and if they did, someone along the way would have pulled the plug. But it didn't happen.

The hoax wasn't planned once and then executed over a number of years, it evolved. It began even in 1906 as the NYT article by Paul Nathan reporting a holocaust of six million Russian Jews shows. The mechanics were improved during WW II. The Nazis hatred of Jews, and the deportation of the Jews, and the camps, was the perfect storm for the hoax, and the Jews capitalized big time. They acted independently and in concert, the best and fapp only account is given in Butz's book. They took what they could get. Wartime propaganda was traditionally way over the top, WWII wartime propaganda was way over the top, and that was what they had to work with.

As for the hoax gas chambers at Auschwtiz, Majdanek, and Dachau ... oy vey, they were really stupid, there is simply no argument there. But they got away with it for a while.

So, the hoax is completely stupid, completely transparent, preposterous on its face, and yet, it has given the Jews what they want, the right to ethnically cleanse Palestine and endless reparations. So, you can't argue with success.

But, the price will be paid. Eventually the world will recognize the hoax for what it is and it will be the end of the Jewish religion. The Jews have tweaked the world's nose for their entire existence, but this one is not going to go down easy, the price paid by the world has been too great. Unfortunately, we may have not seen nothin yet, this thing can get much worse for everyone.

As for the Jews being the smartest folks around, maybe they think so, maybe that's why they think they can get away with this absurdity. So far they are mostly right, but, we goyim ain't all completely stupid.

Plenty of Jews have tried to pull the plug, we all know about David Cole. One of the first revisionists, Rassiner, was a Jew, and there are a few Jews now telling the truth about the hoax, check Brother Nathaniel on YouTube, and some of the associaties of Gilead Atzmon (?) in Europe.

 

[Humanzee]

Well, then admit you've got the wrong hoax gas chamber, that you don't know the difference between Auschwitz and Majdanek, and then proceed ...

And, come to think of it, even if you did know the difference, and did have the right hoax gas chamber, you think they converted a gas chamber to a bomb shelter by installing a window ..... LOL ! Man, the holohoax takes the CAKE !

Personally I don't like to be bombed in the dark. I doubt installing a window would have reduced my safety much had a bomb fallen on me. But really all this doesn't matter. What I ask and want to know was when the window was put in place. Was it there during the gassings or delousings? If you know the answer then post it.

 

[Wroclaw]

But, the price will be paid. Eventually the world will recognize the hoax for what it is and it will be the end of the Jewish religion. The Jews have tweaked the world's nose for their entire existence, but this one is not going to go down easy, the price paid by the world has been too great.

Do your pants get tight when you write that crap?

As for the Jews being the smartest folks around, maybe they think so, maybe that's why they think they can get away with this absurdity. So far they are mostly right, but, we goyim ain't all completely stupid.

I sincerely hope the goyim aren't betting on you as the test case.

Plenty of Jews have tried to pull the plug, we all know about David Cole. One of the first revisionists, Rassiner, was a Jew, and there are a few Jews now telling the truth about the hoax, check Brother Nathaniel on YouTube, and some of the associaties of Gilead Atzmon (?) in Europe.

Rassinier a Jew? Really?

I don't mean some nebbish. I mean a Jew with actual influence.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Well, it's good to know I'm in the presence of greatness.

I want you to consider a few things.

First, for whatever reason, Ashkenazi Jews have, on average, about 15 IQ points more than the general population. This is distributed across both quantitative and verbal thinking skills. You can chalk that up to genetics, endogamy, a strong cultural emphasis on learning, etc., but it's borne out empirically in study after study. Jews are smart people.

Second, why would the arguably smartest people around be so stupid in perpetrating a hoax of such putative importance to them as a people? Wouldn't common sense dictate that, were such a hoax under way, the Jews, being smart people, would use that intelligence to avoid stupid mistakes?

And third, given that stupid mistakes were made while perpetrating this hoax, why in the world wouldn't someone, anyone, among those Jews in nearly seventy-five years come along and blow the whistle on this hoax?

I'm sorry, Saggy, but it just doesn't add up. Smart people don't hoax that badly, and if they did, someone along the way would have pulled the plug. But it didn't happen.

But they allegedly meekly waited around Europe for years to be summoned to Poland's death camps where millions were supposedly known to have been already exterminated by gassing and other methods.

Didn't happen. I know the Jewish people were too smart to wait for it to happen.

 

[Saggy]

Do your pants get tight when you write that crap?



I sincerely hope the goyim aren't betting on you as the test case.



Rassinier a Jew? Really?

I don't mean some nebbish. I mean a Jew with actual influence.

Do your pants get tight when you write that crap?

What I don't understand is why you think that everything in the world has changed, and you can get away with it this time. The Jews have always paid, well maybe not always, but frequently paid for the trouble they have created, so, your confidence seems wildly misplaced to me.

I don't mean some nebbish. I mean a Jew with actual influence.

No Jew who did not pay homage to the hoax could ever become influential.

 

[Robrob]

Still waiting for the explanation of your argument from incredulity.

As many times as you've made this argument, you've never managed to explain why it's impossible. I wonder why?

1) "babies being tossed into the air" Are you claiming babies can't physically be tossed in the air?

2) "targets for machine gunners" Are you claiming babies in the air can't be targeted by machine gunners (or, more accurately, sub-machine gunners)?

3) "adults thrown live into a burning pit" Are you claiming adults can't be thrown live into a burning pit?

4) "babies into another" Are you claiming babies can't be thrown into another pit?

5) "packing the gas chambers tightly with adults and throwing babies atop them to maximize the killing" Are you claiming adults couldn't be packed in tightly, that babies couldn't be thrown on top or both?

Well?

 

[Clayton Moore]

The hoax wasn't planned once and then executed over a number of years, it evolved. It began even in 1906 as the NYT article by Paul Nathan reporting a holocaust of six million Russian Jews shows. The mechanics were improved during WW II. The Nazis hatred of Jews, and the deportation of the Jews, and the camps, was the perfect storm for the hoax, and the Jews capitalized big time. They acted independently and in concert, the best and fapp only account is given in Butz's book. They took what they could get. Wartime propaganda was traditionally way over the top, WWII wartime propaganda was way over the top, and that was what they had to work with.

As for the hoax gas chambers at Auschwtiz, Majdanek, and Dachau ... oy vey, they were really stupid, there is simply no argument there. But they got away with it for a while.

So, the hoax is completely stupid, completely transparent, preposterous on its face, and yet, it has given the Jews what they want, the right to ethnically cleanse Palestine and endless reparations. So, you can't argue with success.

But, the price will be paid. Eventually the world will recognize the hoax for what it is and it will be the end of the Jewish religion. The Jews have tweaked the world's nose for their entire existence, but this one is not going to go down easy, the price paid by the world has been too great. Unfortunately, we may have not seen nothin yet, this thing can get much worse for everyone.

As for the Jews being the smartest folks around, maybe they think so, maybe that's why they think they can get away with this absurdity. So far they are mostly right, but, we goyim ain't all completely stupid.

Plenty of Jews have tried to pull the plug, we all know about David Cole. One of the first revisionists, Rassiner, was a Jew, and there are a few Jews now telling the truth about the hoax, check Brother Nathaniel on YouTube, and some of the associaties of Gilead Atzmon (?) in Europe.

The current Holohoax began with the outrageous lies of atrocities testified to at trials after WW2. Out of respect to those who did suffer the lies and liars were not questioned.

The liars, after a couple of decades or so, pinched themselves and realized they had gotten away with their lies and fabrications. The myths their lies created had imprinted that Nazis were the most evil group ever to walk the planet.

They noticed people deferred to them because they had suffered the Holocaust. It didn't take long for the Holocaust to become a cottage industry. It became Christianity's 11th Commandment.

 

[Mondial]

Here is a link with an explanation.

David Cole also recanted his gas chamber denialism.

David Cole recanted because of repeated death threats. See www.ihr.org/books/ztn.html He later contacted Bradley Smith of the Committee For Open Debate On The Holocaust www.codoh.com to admit as much. He still supports the revisionist position but is no longer an activist. Feel free to contact Bradley Smith to confirm the details.

 

[Dogzilla]

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Of course, you can cite me saying that any historian had cited that specific passage?

No?

No.

Did you read the part where I said "Since I never claimed any particular number of historians endorsed that detail. I feel no need to look it up, since whether her shoes were stolen or not makes precisely zero difference to the question of whether or not the Holocaust happened. But nice try at a goalpost shift..."?

No?

Yes. I did read that part.

You asked for "an historian who endorses ANY specific detail found in ANY specific holocaust survivor or perpetrator testimony so we can see what such an "endorsement" looks like."

That's what I gave you.

No you didn't.

You went on to suggest a very specific detail, which suggestion I rejected as above.

I'm always trying to help you out but you don't have to take my suggestions. To review: You had challenged CM to find a historian who endorses the absurd claim about packing the gas chambers tightly with adults and throwing babies on top to maximize the killing. It's a variation on the worn out challenge to, zb, "Prove that any historian has ever used {insert ludicrous IMT finding here} or {insert common survivor story that only an idiot would believe here} to try and show us that lies, falsehoods, or magical thinking of the holocaust variety are OK no matter how many people hear and believe the lies because nobody important does.

Naturally, directly linking any specific nonsensical claim to any specific historian is next to impossible. To illustrate, I challenged you to find an historian who endorses ANY specific detail found in ANY specific holocaust survivor or perpetrator testimony so we can see what such an "endorsement" looks like. I helpfully suggested that you tell us how many historians have "endorsed" the one about Germans (or their collaborators) shooting teenage girls in the foot and taking their shoes.

You answered my challenge with "Klee, in "The Good Old Days" cites a report from Johannes Blaskowitz on the very first page of the main part of the book which speaks of the indiscriminate slaughter of Jews qua Jews."

You also said that: "Since I never claimed any particular number of historians endorsed that detail. I feel no need to look it up, since whether her shoes were stolen or not makes precisely zero difference to the question of whether or not the Holocaust happened. But nice try at a goalpost shift..."

Your answer doesn't make a whole lot of sense but I'm under the impression that you're not going to tell me which historian has specifically endorsed Pesye Schloss' shot in the foot story because you never claimed any particular number of historians endorsed that detail. That's OK because it's true that you never did make that specific claim. I offered it as a suggestion and you refused to do the research thingy necessary to find any such link. So CMs factoid about babies thrown on top of the heads in a stuffed to the gills gas chamber is meaningless holocaust drivel because he can't tell us which historian has specifically mentioned this anecdote. Similarly, your unwillingness to find an historian who specifically endorses Pesye Schloss' foot story means that it too is meaningless holocaust drivel. If you can't tell us which historian has specifically endorsed any specific fact found in Pesye Schloss' testimony we can naturally assume that everything she said is meaningless holocaust drivel so we can effectively dismiss her as important.

Weirdly, you offered us Klee who cites a report from Blaskowitz in his book, "The Good Old Days." But you didn't tell us which specific detail Blaskowitz mentioned in his report that is specifically endorsed by Klee in his book. That's what we need here in order for you to pretend you answered the question.

Now, it's your turn, AGAIN. Cite any historian using Night as a primary source.

Or admit you can't, which means that whether or not anything happened in that book or not, it has no effect on the historicity of the Holocaust.
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I'm going to pull a TSR here and refuse your request because I never made the claim that Elie Wiesel's Night is cited by any historian. Judging by the sales figures of this book and his other holocaust related offerings, he's probably the most widely read author in the holocaust genre. But I think the fact that a man who is so important in shaping the public perception of the holocaust is an absolute nobody among the academicians who study the holocaust is hilarious. It symbolizes the intellectual bankruptcy of holocaust scholarship. So, no, I will not cite any historian who cites Wiesel. It suits me fine if none of them do.

And, as an aside, we were talking about babies thrown on top of the heads of Jews in the gas chamber. We weren't talking about Night or E Lie Weasel. Your attempt to bring the subject around to E Lie is what I believe you guys call shifting goalposts.